57Brave
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Why Academics Leftists and Elitists Need to Treat Ordinary Americans With Respect
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I'll ask you directly
And you won't answer
When should abortion not be legal?
("That's up to a doctor and woman is the same answer as "there should be no limit")
I promise you the mainstream position of your child killing, child mutilation, and child molestation is not the mainstream
And to be clear, I could be the only person on the plant who is against abortion and that would not change my position. I fondly recall being in the minority on masks and... Here we are!
57Brave
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I would offer your definition (premise ? ) of " child killing, child mutilation, and child molestation is not the mainstream "
Those are real things in real life.
By dramatically ( hyperbolically) including them in a discussion of medical procedures it lessens even minimizes the horrors of undisputed instances.
Did I miss your alternative to 3rd trimester abortion ?
Speaking of in your own words, could you speak to what prompts a 3rd trimester abortion
Because I doubt you know or understand
Prove me wrong
Those are real things in real life.
By dramatically ( hyperbolically) including them in a discussion of medical procedures it lessens even minimizes the horrors of undisputed instances.
Did I miss your alternative to 3rd trimester abortion ?
Speaking of in your own words, could you speak to what prompts a 3rd trimester abortion
Because I doubt you know or understand
Prove me wrong
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Getting enough solar and battery banks to get yourself completely off the grid would be the answer, but you know they will make this illegal within the next 10 years.
How liberals don't see that they are frogs being slowly brought to a boil is beyond me. It's clear as day and they continue to willingly usher in the loss of their money and freedom to the elites.
With the indoctrination of our youth, the majority of the voting base of the country will turn blue in the next 10 years and it will become incredibly difficult to stop the train once it starts rolling.
57Brave
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your " alternative " is Chinese style pregnancy screening.
and lord forbid unforeseen complications that endanger
the life and well being of mother and/or fetus.
Medical ****
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Some of the survey's other notable findings:
-Some 39% of Americans identify as pro-life, the lowest percentage since 1996.
-Pro-choice identification increased by nine percentage points to 61% among women, 12 points to 67% among adults aged 18 to 34 and nine points to 58% among adults ages 35 to 54.
-Support for abortion being legal under any or most circumstances jumped among Democrats, jumping from 69% to 82%, and among adults aged 18 to 34, rising from 52% to 63%. It's higher among women (59%) than men (45%).
-Support for abortion being broadly legal increased seven points over the past year among political independents, but not for Republicans or Americans over the age of 55.
-A majority of Americans (55%) are generally opposed to abortion in the second trimester, while 36% think it should be legal. Some 71% believe abortion should be illegal in the third trimester.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/03/1102872199/gallup-poll-pro-choice-roe-v-wade-supreme-court
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He didn't answer because he doesn't answer questions phrased in the conditional tense.
It reveals ignorance to ask such a question and a tich more to answer
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57Brave
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https://www.npr.org/sections/2022-l...bortion-legal-reject-constitutional-amendment
LAWRENCE, Kan. — Voters in Kansas rejected a proposed state constitutional amendment Tuesday that would have said there was no right to an abortion in the state, according to The Associated Press.
Kansas was the first state to vote on abortion rights since the U.S. Supreme Court handed down its ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson's Women's Health Organization.
President Joe Biden hailed Tuesday's vote and called on Congress to pass a law to restore nationwide abortion rights that were provided by Roe.
"This vote makes clear what we know: the majority of Americans agree that women should have access to abortion and should have the right to make their own health care decisions," Biden said in a statement.
Kansas For Constitutional Freedom, the main abortion rights group opposing the amendment, called the victory "huge and decisive."
"The people of Kansas have spoken," said Rachel Sweet, campaign manager for the group. "They think that abortion should be safe, legal and accessible in the state of Kansas."
This year, a record number of abortion questions will be on state ballots, and many are asking Kansas' decision Tuesday will be an indicator of what is to come.
In the lead-up to the vote, supporters of the amendment argued that it was necessary to correct what they say was the Kansas Supreme Court's overreach in striking down some of the state's previous abortion restrictions in 2019.
Opponents argued that the amendment would set state lawmakers up to pursue a total abortion ban.
An overwhelming victory
Struggling to speak after the race was called, 23-year-old Jae Moyer said the decisive victory in the red state was surprising.
"It's never looked like this in Kansas," Moyer said. "It's so amazing. I'm so proud of my state right now."
Planned Parenthood donated millions of dollars to the opposition effort.
"Anti-abortion politicians put this amendment on the primary ballot with the goal of low voter turnout," said Emily Wales of Planned Parenthood Great Plains Votes, "but they discounted Kansans, who said loud and clear they believe and trust patients to make their own medical decisions."
Access to abortion in Kansas remains limited. The state has only four clinics where abortions remain available, all in the Wichita and Kansas City areas.
That leaves many Kansans in the western part of the state hundreds of miles away from abortion care. Many are closer to abortion providers in other states, like Colorado.
Trust Women, which operates two of the clinics in Kansas, said it will continue providing abortion care while also working to expand access throughout the state.
"We cannot be content with the status quo," the organization said. "The loss of Roe has brought with it an unprecedented and manufactured health care crisis that is not solved by this election."
Abortion opponents say they are not done
Kansans For Life, a major political group that opposes abortion rights, said in a news release that the vote is a temporary setback and the organization remains dedicated to continuing its work opposing abortion.
"While the outcome is not what we hoped, our movement and campaign have proven our resolve and commitment," the organization said. "We will not abandon women and babies."
But it's unclear what else can be done to further restrict abortion in Kansas.
Republican state Sen. Molly Baumgardner, who supported sending the amendment to voters, said abortion opponents will need to look at new restrictions to try to decrease the number of abortions in the state.
"The defeat this evening is disappointing," she said. "That struggle for truth, and the struggle for life, is going to continue in the state of Kansas."
Republicans, for the most part, remained quiet before Tuesday and wouldn't say how far they wanted to restrict abortion access if the amendment passed.
Kansas' abortion restrictions already include limiting abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy to cases where the pregnant person's life is in danger. The state also requires an ultrasound before a procedure.
Those restrictions would have remained in place whether the amendment passed or failed. The vote in this red state may be a sign of what's to come in other abortion votes around the country later this year.
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So this is Kansas.
Rock Ribbed Middle America
Not San Fran, Portland or Seattle.
Or AOC's district
The final tally was 59% vs 41%
LAWRENCE, Kan. — Voters in Kansas rejected a proposed state constitutional amendment Tuesday that would have said there was no right to an abortion in the state, according to The Associated Press.
Kansas was the first state to vote on abortion rights since the U.S. Supreme Court handed down its ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson's Women's Health Organization.
President Joe Biden hailed Tuesday's vote and called on Congress to pass a law to restore nationwide abortion rights that were provided by Roe.
"This vote makes clear what we know: the majority of Americans agree that women should have access to abortion and should have the right to make their own health care decisions," Biden said in a statement.
Kansas For Constitutional Freedom, the main abortion rights group opposing the amendment, called the victory "huge and decisive."
"The people of Kansas have spoken," said Rachel Sweet, campaign manager for the group. "They think that abortion should be safe, legal and accessible in the state of Kansas."
This year, a record number of abortion questions will be on state ballots, and many are asking Kansas' decision Tuesday will be an indicator of what is to come.
In the lead-up to the vote, supporters of the amendment argued that it was necessary to correct what they say was the Kansas Supreme Court's overreach in striking down some of the state's previous abortion restrictions in 2019.
Opponents argued that the amendment would set state lawmakers up to pursue a total abortion ban.
An overwhelming victory
Struggling to speak after the race was called, 23-year-old Jae Moyer said the decisive victory in the red state was surprising.
"It's never looked like this in Kansas," Moyer said. "It's so amazing. I'm so proud of my state right now."
Planned Parenthood donated millions of dollars to the opposition effort.
"Anti-abortion politicians put this amendment on the primary ballot with the goal of low voter turnout," said Emily Wales of Planned Parenthood Great Plains Votes, "but they discounted Kansans, who said loud and clear they believe and trust patients to make their own medical decisions."
Access to abortion in Kansas remains limited. The state has only four clinics where abortions remain available, all in the Wichita and Kansas City areas.
That leaves many Kansans in the western part of the state hundreds of miles away from abortion care. Many are closer to abortion providers in other states, like Colorado.
Trust Women, which operates two of the clinics in Kansas, said it will continue providing abortion care while also working to expand access throughout the state.
"We cannot be content with the status quo," the organization said. "The loss of Roe has brought with it an unprecedented and manufactured health care crisis that is not solved by this election."
Abortion opponents say they are not done
Kansans For Life, a major political group that opposes abortion rights, said in a news release that the vote is a temporary setback and the organization remains dedicated to continuing its work opposing abortion.
"While the outcome is not what we hoped, our movement and campaign have proven our resolve and commitment," the organization said. "We will not abandon women and babies."
But it's unclear what else can be done to further restrict abortion in Kansas.
Republican state Sen. Molly Baumgardner, who supported sending the amendment to voters, said abortion opponents will need to look at new restrictions to try to decrease the number of abortions in the state.
"The defeat this evening is disappointing," she said. "That struggle for truth, and the struggle for life, is going to continue in the state of Kansas."
Republicans, for the most part, remained quiet before Tuesday and wouldn't say how far they wanted to restrict abortion access if the amendment passed.
Kansas' abortion restrictions already include limiting abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy to cases where the pregnant person's life is in danger. The state also requires an ultrasound before a procedure.
Those restrictions would have remained in place whether the amendment passed or failed. The vote in this red state may be a sign of what's to come in other abortion votes around the country later this year.
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So this is Kansas.
Rock Ribbed Middle America
Not San Fran, Portland or Seattle.
Or AOC's district
The final tally was 59% vs 41%
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Some 71% believe abortion should be illegal in the third trimester.
Did you miss this from what you posted?
So then you are aware that third trimester abortion is not only the minority position in America but all over the world outside of China/North Korea?
So is your view that third trimester abortion should be legal a “semi-fascist” position?
57Brave
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according to the article I found, only 71% oppose
Which is much lower than I would have thought
While less than 1 % of abortions are 3rd trimester
I found 55% of 2nd trimester lower than I would have thought too
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But not sure what that has to do with my original premise
that mainstream Americans are ProChoice
Your question is actually the extreme comparison.
As is 3rd trimester abortion an extreme.
A hyperbole if you will
less than 1% of abortions performed are 3rd trimester. It would serve you and the
boys well to read up on what necessitates a 3rd trimester abortion
So ONLY 10k babies a year are killed when they are fully developed. That makes me feel much better
I agree majority are pro choice but only up to end of first trimester. You don’t even want to compromise on that like the rest of the civilized world does.
57Brave
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I personally don't give a ****.
For the hundredth time no one in my family has ever had the procedure. I have never been responsible for necessitating the procedure and find your question and assertions beside the point
and view abortion a once medical procedure to take it out of alleys and back rooms now a wedge issue employed by RW to alarm the injurious and reactionary.
To what purpose?
The children ?
Don't make me laugh
If the shoe fits
For the hundredth time no one in my family has ever had the procedure. I have never been responsible for necessitating the procedure and find your question and assertions beside the point
and view abortion a once medical procedure to take it out of alleys and back rooms now a wedge issue employed by RW to alarm the injurious and reactionary.
To what purpose?
The children ?
Don't make me laugh
If the shoe fits
But we were just told that if you share a minority opinion and try to push it on the majority you are a 'semi-fascist'.
Thats exactly what you want to do. A small minority globally believe there should be abortion past the first trimester. An even smaller minority believes it should happen past the second trimester.
Don't pretend that you share a wildly held view on the matter.
Mainstream is 29% of the country?