With the new NFL season upon us let's play rename the Washington Redskins

Honestly if it makes 10% of the natives feel bad, then that's too much. As a culture so many have lost their identity, so for them being called Redskin may mean nothing to them anymore because their culture's been murdered.

I think Jason Taylor put it well

"Look, it’s offensive. If you look it up in the dictionary, it’s an offensive term. And I think if you get one segment of people that are offended by it, it warrants some looking at. "

Jon Richie also had some good points in there.

"“I grew up in Central Pennsylvania when the Redskins were good,” Ritchie continued. “They were close; I was a fan. I was a fan of the guys on that team. The name didn’t matter to me, but the guys, like John Riggins, and the Fun Bunch with Art Monk, and Dexter Manley: that’s what mattered. The personalities on the team are what matters. Daniel Snyder should know that. The name does not matter. But the name does matter to some people in our society, because it is a nod to the decimation of a tradition and a culture that was once prevalent here in the United States. If it offends anyone, the name should be out.”"

Of course you're gonna say they aren't natives so who GAF.

Lastly I'll link you to a wikipedia page about NA tribes who're opposed to the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washin...sy#Native_Americans_and_organizations_opposed

Jason Taylor needs to say what dictionary he's looking at then.
 
Are u saying ND is comprised of Irish?

Entirely? no of course not.

I for a fact know of about a dozen people from my high school who went to ND, and at least 6 of them were about as Irish/American as you can be. We're talking like knew how to Riverdance Irish.

How many natives do you know who work for the Redskins? And I don't mean are part of Daniel Snyder's guys he pays to say they're cool with the name.

I mean I could be wrong but Notre Dame's last President or whatever college head honchos are called, was Irish/American. I could go on about it but I wno't cause it's a pointless argument anyway cause you'll never get it.
 
Jason Taylor needs to say what dictionary he's looking at then.

Why not Oxford

NOUN

DATED or OFFENSIVE
An American Indian.

Usage

Redskin is first recorded in the late 17th century and was applied to the Algonquian peoples generally, but specifically to the Delaware (who lived in what is now southern New York State and New York City, New Jersey, and eastern Pennsylvania). Redskin referred not to the natural skin color of the Delaware, but to their use of vermilion face paint and body paint. In time, however, through a process that in linguistics is called pejoration, by which a neutral term acquires an unfavorable connotation or denotation, redskin lost its neutral, accurate descriptive sense and became a term of disparagement

And incase you need the thesaurus

Pejorative

Synonyms

disparaging, derogatory, denigratory, deprecatory, defamatory, slanderous, libelous, abusive, insulting, slighting
 
America has a long history of taking advantage of everyone. Welcome to America..

And none more affected by this than the Native American, as they were herded like cattle off their native lands and on to Reservations where they could roam wild and free, away from civilized folk.

The US Government is estimated to be responsible for killing hundreds of thousands of Native American people. That's genocide my friend. Hitler actually admired the US for their efficiency in their attempts of exterminating the American Indian.

Since then, they have made a mockery of their culture in Hollywood. Making tons of money off them using racists stereotypes.

So yeah, I'd like to think it's a little more personal for Native Americans than simply money extortion.
 
So yeah, I'd like to think it's a little more personal for Native Americans than simply money extortion.

Typical ways of supporting a cause. You listed valid points showing how American Indians have been wronged in this country. However, using that to support the case against a sports teams name...is incorrect.

Similar to using slavery to support to the argument black men are targets to be murdered by law enforcement. It doesnt connect.
 
Considering the makeup of most NFL team rosters, Brownskins would make more sense. I wonder how that would play.
 
Similar to using slavery to support to the argument black men are targets to be murdered by law enforcement. It doesnt connect.

Actually there is quite an easy link here.

Blacks were brought to this country as slaves. They were treated as sub humans legally for the first 80 years of this country's existence (3/5 compromise) then there were laws that treated them and other non-whites as second class citizens in effect for another 100 years. The Bulk of this coutnry's history has told us that blacks are not equal to whites. Therefore it's easier to brush aside the murder of a black kid by cops than it is a white kid.

See I didn't even have to make a big leap.
 
Actually there is quite an easy link here.

Blacks were brought to this country as slaves. They were treated as sub humans legally for the first 80 years of this country's existence (3/5 compromise) then there were laws that treated them and other non-whites as second class citizens in effect for another 100 years. The Bulk of this coutnry's history has told us that blacks are not equal to whites. Therefore it's easier to brush aside the murder of a black kid by cops than it is a white kid.

See I didn't even have to make a big leap.

See..you're looking at an event from a standpoint. Opinions are flawed based on perception...yours as well as mine. When you take the event in Ferguson for example..you have to be as objective as possible. You cant take black oppression and use it to support the theory black males are targeted for (extermination?) by police. You have to look at the training police officers endure...as well as the experience those officers have.

You investigate the matter and you make your informed opinion based on the facts of each case...individually. If you have to eliminate the white, black, brown and red spectrum in your mind in order to do so...then do it.

Its granted there are billions of racist people in this world..racists of all races. But if you use that as your main supporting evidence..because that is the easiest to explain? Its not true for everyone...

Because if it were me who shot that man in Ferguson...it would have nothing to do with the color of his skin...and I have seen no proof that race was the deciding factor in his death.
 
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