ChapelHillMatt
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
He was last year
But your point is well taken, we all have the ability to be wrong....even you.
Wren "dismissed" --
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He was last year
But your point is well taken, we all have the ability to be wrong....even you.
I talked with Matt on the phone a week after Bj became a Brave and he told me Bj was awful. So he for one seen it coming. We have disagreed all year on Fredi being awful but he was dead on when it came to Bj.
I will say one thing about Wren's teams that I've liked have been the way he's assembled his bullpens.
He's arguably had better bullpens than JS ever put together. 2002 bullpen was patchwork magic by JS, nobody expected Hammond and Holmes to have great years that they did.
At least O'Ventbrel were together for a few years with good supporting pieces.
He's arguably had better bullpens than JS ever put together. 2002 bullpen was patchwork magic by JS, nobody expected Hammond and Holmes to have great years that they did.
At least O'Ventbrel were together for a few years with good supporting pieces.
The new GM should be given serious input into EVERY position with the understanding that the Pitching Coach is McDowell and that Perez is retained in a position where his opinion is considered and given weight IMO.
You just re-worded what I said. lol
Eddie Perez is going to be here forever, until he asks permission to interview for a managerial job somewhere else (assuming he doesn't get it here). McDowell will stay here unless he goes Bud Black and decides to manage instead of be a pitching coach. I think any team that will throw money at McDowell, we'll likely match it.
And your point is?
When someone agrees with you, be happy - no need to expound your comments.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Braves BP last year was amazing. 2010 was probably the best the Braves assembled. Wagner, Venters, Saito, EOF, Kimbrel, Medlen, Farnsworth, and Dunn was exceptional. C-Mart was great, Jesse Chavez and Moylan were the "weakest" links but still awesome.
I'm working hard for some Thanks. I had a 100+ lead over Dalyn at the All-Star break, but that lead has turned into a -100 deficit. I feel like the Braves surrendering the division lead to the Nats...
Julio's mark is unattainable. Impossible to get that high.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Snoop accepts that challenge.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
You completely skipped my point. If he was just the player he was in Tampa, it wouldn't be nearly the disgrace it is. No one saw this.
ChapelHillMatt
Approaching Buddy Hernandez Territory
The reason you think no one saw it coming and it wouldn't have been as bad was because of his power. If he hit 30 homeruns it would have helped his other numbers from looking as bad. He's a player that is dependent on his power because he's not going to hit for a high average and he's not going to get on base at a high clip. If he's not on base he can't still bases which utilizes his other skill set and that's his speed. You can keep saying I'm lying and I didn't see this coming if you want but it's not that surprising to me. If you consistently hit in the 240's why is it impossible to believe you could drop around the mendoza line? It happened to Adam Dunn. Low average hitters go into massive slumps that hurt the team. Everyone kept telling me he's in his prime and he would get better, well he didn't. He got worse. It's not that surprising because he doesn't have a great skill set. He has a massive hole in his swing that he's never corrected. Yet Wren thought it would be a good idea to give a player like that a big contract. I still don't understand what he was thinking. It's one of the worst signings any GM has ever made.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I'm working hard for some Thanks. I had a 100+ lead over Dalyn at the All-Star break, but that lead has turned into a -100 deficit. I feel like the Braves surrendering the division lead to the Nats...
Julio's mark is unattainable. Impossible to get that high.
keithlaw
Playing the Waiting Game
By my back of the envelope math, you're about an order of magnitude off.
Runnin
Well-known member
IF he was hitting around .300 he'd still be in there without question. Since Aug. 1st he's hitting around .180. He wasn't the answer. I'd rather have Dan Uggla than that. At least he can hit a HR every once in a while.
I wish TLS was a little quicker and a little more athletic. He wouldn't be so bad if we weren't struggling so everywhere else but he just looks like a one dimensional (OBP) player to me, and thus not very useful on a good team.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I think you are referring to M. Upton, but the same could be said about Uggla. I didn't foresee this level of deterioration of either, but I thought both would decline and perhaps significantly. I don't want to dog either of them, but they are mirrors of each other. M. Upton is blessed with physical tools, but it appears he relied on those tools instead of really honing them. Uggla is different in that he's not physically gifted in terms of speed or agility, but he learned how to apply his one plus-plus tool. The thing is problems show up for guys that are extreme in these two groups (which I believe M. Upton and Uggla both are). My main beef on the acquisition and extension of Uggla is that he was 31 when the Braves obtained him and players in that mold tend to see decline in their early-30s. With tools-centric guy like M. Upton, the decline often happens sooner because they didn't bother to translate their tools into skills.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Sample size says what?
He has a .189 BABIP in that same time frame. His K rate and BB rate are basically the same as it was all year. His issue has been an unlucky BABIP, his LD% is still high, there's nothing indicating what happened to him in your sample is nothing more than statistical noise. TLS does 2 things well, he hits for average and he walks. Sure you want more but who on the team or on the horizon really brings much more?
Looks like public flirting from JS. Hart wants to see how far JS is willing to publicly court him so they and Bobby can laugh about it later.