Zimmerman Trial

All this talk about racial profiling and him being a wannabe cop are all distractions. The real questions are these: Who initiated the actual physical fight? Who was getting the crap beat out of them? Did the person getting the crap beat out of them reasonably fear his life could be in danger?
 
50PoundHead said:
Love the pic. Only difference is Chaz likely has more testosterone.

Zimmerman will likely be acquitted and there will be reaction. I don't know how violent it will be, but will probably pass quickly.

But someone mentioned the Casey Anthony trial and all the hoopla that surrounded that and all the press coverage. I think one of the real problems facing this country now is that in the 24/7 news cycle, our airwaves get filled up with the "fill in the blank" expert on both sides of a relatively minor court case and, as a result, the case hits the national scene. Don't get me wrong. This is tragic. A kid is dead and the guy who killed him has to live with the fact that if he had acted differently, the kid would still be alive. I just wish the world would quit looking at this like a Supreme Court case.
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I have been blaming the 24 hour news networks and CSpan for issues like this all too often.

Let me put it this way, it was wrong there was no police investigation into this case and I get the parents bringing this to the national media's attention since I'm sure the local police had no interest at all and cited a dozen reasons why. I don't think there's anything wrong with this being played out on the national stage as more or less an interesting case about gun control since it appears way more than likely that Zimmerman was/isn't mentally stable.

But if anyone riots cause of this ruling they should be arrested and charged to the fullest extent of the law.
 
Rasmussen released a poll last week that says both whites and blacks both believe that 'blacks are more racists than whites'

I believe that

Does it matter if Zimmerman followed Martin because Martin had the appearance of a minority walking in a neighborhood that was having home invasion problems. A guy walking close to houses? We'd all jump to conclusions if we saw that. if your walking down the street and 4 black guys with gang appearances are walking towards you, every white would think in thier head even for a split second that something could be up. You're a liar if you say you wouldn't be the least be apprehensive.

Every person of every color believes and buys into stereotypes and racism of others to an extent. No reason to fault Zimmerman when the majority of people in that instance would had thought the same thing even if if the thought was only for a second. Zimmerman thought it looked odd and called 911.
 
weso1 said:
All this talk about racial profiling and him being a wannabe cop are all distractions. The real questions are these: Who initiated the actual physical fight? Who was getting the crap beat out of them? Did the person getting the crap beat out of them reasonably fear his life could be in danger?
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And aside from a few small abrasions on Martin's fist (no DNA under fingernails to suggest a prolonged struggle) some minor wounds on Zimmerman, and Zimmerman's word we have no real evidence. Good job popo
 
Krgrecw said:
Rasmussen released a poll last week that says both whites and blacks both believe that 'blacks are more racists than whites'

I believe that

Does it matter if Zimmerman followed Martin because Martin had the appearance of a minority walking in a neighborhood that was having home invasion problems. A guy walking close to houses? We'd all jump to conclusions if we saw that. if your walking down the street and 4 black guys with gang appearances are walking towards you, every white would think in thier head even for a split second that something could be up. You're a liar if you say you wouldn't be the least be apprehensive.

Every person of every color believes and buys into stereotypes and racism of others to an extent. No reason to fault Zimmerman when the majority of people in that instance would had thought the same thing even if if the thought was only for a second. Zimmerman thought it looked odd and called 911.
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Sometimes I think you don't read what you write when it comes to things like this. If you saw a group of thugs walkign down the street would you follow them? You're a civilian your job is not to pursue people you may think are criminals. Zimmerman should have called 911 and let the police take care of business. He should never have left his vehicle, he should have never even thought of pursuing this kid.
 
zitothebrave said:
And aside from a few small abrasions on Martin's fist (no DNA under fingernails to suggest a prolonged struggle) some minor wounds on Zimmerman, and Zimmerman's word we have no real evidence. Good job popo
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The burden is on the state to prove without a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense. Do you think the state has proven that?

I think the cops did blow it though. When don't they?
 
Krgrecw said:
Rasmussen released a poll last week that says both whites and blacks both believe that 'blacks are more racists than whites'

I believe that

Does it matter if Zimmerman followed Martin because Martin had the appearance of a minority walking in a neighborhood that was having home invasion problems. A guy walking close to houses? We'd all jump to conclusions if we saw that. if your walking down the street and 4 black guys with gang appearances are walking towards you, every white would think in thier head even for a split second that something could be up. You're a liar if you say you wouldn't be the least be apprehensive.

Every person of every color believes and buys into stereotypes and racism of others to an extent. No reason to fault Zimmerman when the majority of people in that instance would had thought the same thing even if if the thought was only for a second. Zimmerman thought it looked odd and called 911.
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Whatever you think of Z's guilt or innocence of the charges, this seems indefensible.
 
50PoundHead said:
Love the pic. Only difference is Chaz likely has more testosterone.

Zimmerman will likely be acquitted and there will be reaction. I don't know how violent it will be, but will probably pass quickly.

But someone mentioned the Casey Anthony trial and all the hoopla that surrounded that and all the press coverage. I think one of the real problems facing this country now is that in the 24/7 news cycle, our airwaves get filled up with the "fill in the blank" expert on both sides of a relatively minor court case and, as a result, the case hits the national scene. Don't get me wrong. This is tragic. A kid is dead and the guy who killed him has to live with the fact that if he had acted differently, the kid would still be alive. I just wish the world would quit looking at this like a Supreme Court case.
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Awesome post and I agree. He might not or shouldn't be guilty for defending himself but he is GUILTY for the actions he brought forth that cause this tragedy.
 
weso1 said:
The burden is on the state to prove without a reasonable doubt that it wasn't self defense. Do you think the state has proven that?

I think the cops did blow it though. When don't they?
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I think he'll walk. Cause the criminal case is weak. But I think he's guilty of a crime as well. Not sure if it's manslaughter or murder 2, but he certainly committed a crime in the court of public opinion.
 
zitothebrave said:
I think he'll walk. Cause the criminal case is weak. But I think he's guilty of a crime as well. Not sure if it's manslaughter or murder 2, but he certainly committed a crime in the court of public opinion.
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Negligence aka STUPIDITY, stay in car, circus would not have happened, TM would be alive and eating Skittles.
 
Krgrecw said:
Rasmussen released a poll last week that says both whites and blacks both believe that 'blacks are more racists than whites'

I believe that

Does it matter if Zimmerman followed Martin because Martin had the appearance of a minority walking in a neighborhood that was having home invasion problems. A guy walking close to houses? We'd all jump to conclusions if we saw that. if your walking down the street and 4 black guys with gang appearances are walking towards you, every white would think in thier head even for a split second that something could be up. You're a liar if you say you wouldn't be the least be apprehensive.

Every person of every color believes and buys into stereotypes and racism of others to an extent. No reason to fault Zimmerman when the majority of people in that instance would had thought the same thing even if if the thought was only for a second. Zimmerman thought it looked odd and called 911.
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I agree. If it ends there, this is all a big pack of nothing.

I used to bartend, so I profiled all the time, but if they produced a valid ID that showed legal age, I had to serve them. But I'll readily admit that I profiled (and most of it wasn't based on race because it was pretty much a biker bar) and very few non-whites drank there. But I got pretty good at spotting trouble simply from demeanor.

krg, you do know that Rasmussen is pretty conservative outfit and their questions and sampling usually lead to a predictable, conservative-leaning result.

weso, those elements are not distractions in the larger sense because in the absence of either, there probably isn't an altercation. I agree they don't have a bearing on the work in front of the jury.
 
50PoundHead said:
I agree. If it ends there, this is all a big pack of nothing.

I used to bartend, so I profiled all the time, but if they produced a valid ID that showed legal age, I had to serve them. But I'll readily admit that I profiled (and most of it wasn't based on race because it was pretty much a biker bar) and very few non-whites drank there. But I got pretty good at spotting trouble simply from demeanor.

krg, you do know that Rasmussen is pretty conservative outfit and their questions and sampling usually lead to a predictable, conservative-leaning result.

weso, those elements are not distractions in the larger sense because in the absence of either, there probably isn't an altercation. I agree they don't have a bearing on the work in front of the jury.
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I am fighting with a guy on my other Scout board about this and I agee with him, but he said that Zimmerman is not guily of anything, not even stupidity, common sense and think that TM ambushed him on purpose. So I asked him this quetion, if he stayed in the car, would this happen? He hasn't answer because the next question would be, why get out of the car to "follow" him knowing this can happen.

He is a racist though (the board gives it to him on every post and looking where he is from I have no doubt) so this doesn't surprised me. He said he agrees with my Conservative thinking but he wish I wouldn't call him a racist. I told him quit bringing topics about race and I will quit getting on him about it. His premise is TM is a thug and I told him thugs don't carry Skittles to a fight, they have either guns or knives, which I know because some of my family does even the ones in Minneapolis. They are thugs. TM was a teenager that could have turn out to be one, but at this time he was minding his own business and a person follow, either run and act like a female or find out who is creeping him and he saw a fat out of shape mall cop and he thought he can beat him. Problem is GZ had a gun and I assume did not initially go for it. Now if they had a talk before hand, this changes things, but one side is dead and we do not know that happened, but we do know GZ got his ass thoroughly kicked to the point he had no choice but to defend himself.
 
I could see the jury finding Zimmerman guilty of manslaughter if they don't think he needed to shoot him. They could believe he could have just fired his gun in the air or to the side and in all likelihood the fight would've ended. My only problem with that is that Zimmerman didn't know who he was dealing with when he was getting the crap beaten out of him. For all he knew he was dealing with a real criminal. I don't really have an issue with either of those verdicts, personally.
 
I was expecting manslaughter.

I must say, not a great showing for justice in our country tonight.

Don't think he murdered him, but manslaughter at the very least.
 
BravesFanInSAV said:
I was expecting manslaughter.

I must say, not a great showing for justice in our country tonight.

Don't think he murdered him, but manslaughter at the very least.
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I disagree. Negligence attributing to manslaughter at most.

He was getting the sh*t kicked out of him so he had no recourse but to use deadly force, but negligence for getting out of the car and creeping him. A no no especially following a black dude, we just don't run, period. Fortunately he wasn't a thug that carried weapons or TM would be on the stand instead for shanking or shooting GZ to death.
 
CK86 said:
I'm looking forward to the riots.
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There shouldn't be. If there is, don't blame me as a black person. I wouldn't and don't care about other parts of life, but hoodrats will be hoodrats, just don't come here and chastise me when my kind do stupid things like the lemmings most of us are.
 
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