zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
What he said was Super dumb. Seriously. Ican think of about 2 million smarter things to tweet, including Jason Heyward doesn't love baseball.
Zimmerman Trial
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cajunrevenge
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According to a guy who was on trial for his murder, and absent any other living person with direct knowledge of the incident.
If there is any evidence to contradict what Zimmerman said I am willing to hear it. Zimmerman passed a voice stress test that is used to help determine if someone is lying. Obviously that test cant be taken as 100% proof but it would be enough for most people if he failed it. The physical evidence and a witness seeing Trayvon on top of Zimmerman supports what he claimed.
Leaving aside for a second that "fact" is an interesting choice of words, when an armed adult creeps on a 16-year-old kid who is engaged in nothing more suspicious than transit from the 7-11 to his house, the fact that you're willing to not only absolve the adult of responsibility but dehumanize the primary victim is pretty stunning.
So if your in a neighborhood that has had several burglaries and you see someone leisurely walking through the grass when its raining and looking at the houses thats not suspicious? Yeah thats Zimmermans account of things and suspicion can be a grey area but its really irrelevant anyways. The Police were called 400 times over 13 months, with an amount like that its clear they called the cops at the slightest bit of suspicion. Not a single time that Zimmerman called the cops did he physically try to stop the suspect and there is zero evidence that he tried that with Trayvon. Whether you think Zimmerman acted irresponsibly or not does not mean he had to let Trayvon beat the **** out of him. Who knows how bad his injuries would be if he didnt shoot him.
16-year-old makes a run to the store, gets profiled and ultimately killed by an armed adult acting on a misplaced and quite possibly racist assumption. Many people feel as if an injustice has occurred. Yes, this definitely proves that the black community is straight-up racist.
And outside of Trayvon being black and Zimmerman looking white there is no evidence to suggest race had anything to do with this. 1/5th of the community was black, its would not be uncommon for him to see a black person in this neighborhood. I havent heard from any of them saying Zimmerman called the cops on them for no reason. Zimmerman is being called a racist on nothing more than his skin color being white. That in itself is racist. I call the black community racist for publicly convicting Zimmerman despite a lack of evidence against him. I can understand the outrage that he wasnt put on trial. That I get. But they made up their mind because Trayvon was black and Zimmerman looks white, thats all the facts they need to convict him. Nothing short of Trayvon crawling out of his grave and siding with Zimmerman would change their minds. There is no doubt in my mind that if Zimmerman was black and Trayvon was white that the NAACP and all those people upset over the verdict would be supporting Zimmerman. That is what makes them racist to me.
If there is any evidence to contradict what Zimmerman said I am willing to hear it. Zimmerman passed a voice stress test that is used to help determine if someone is lying. Obviously that test cant be taken as 100% proof but it would be enough for most people if he failed it. The physical evidence and a witness seeing Trayvon on top of Zimmerman supports what he claimed.
Leaving aside for a second that "fact" is an interesting choice of words, when an armed adult creeps on a 16-year-old kid who is engaged in nothing more suspicious than transit from the 7-11 to his house, the fact that you're willing to not only absolve the adult of responsibility but dehumanize the primary victim is pretty stunning.
So if your in a neighborhood that has had several burglaries and you see someone leisurely walking through the grass when its raining and looking at the houses thats not suspicious? Yeah thats Zimmermans account of things and suspicion can be a grey area but its really irrelevant anyways. The Police were called 400 times over 13 months, with an amount like that its clear they called the cops at the slightest bit of suspicion. Not a single time that Zimmerman called the cops did he physically try to stop the suspect and there is zero evidence that he tried that with Trayvon. Whether you think Zimmerman acted irresponsibly or not does not mean he had to let Trayvon beat the **** out of him. Who knows how bad his injuries would be if he didnt shoot him.
16-year-old makes a run to the store, gets profiled and ultimately killed by an armed adult acting on a misplaced and quite possibly racist assumption. Many people feel as if an injustice has occurred. Yes, this definitely proves that the black community is straight-up racist.
And outside of Trayvon being black and Zimmerman looking white there is no evidence to suggest race had anything to do with this. 1/5th of the community was black, its would not be uncommon for him to see a black person in this neighborhood. I havent heard from any of them saying Zimmerman called the cops on them for no reason. Zimmerman is being called a racist on nothing more than his skin color being white. That in itself is racist. I call the black community racist for publicly convicting Zimmerman despite a lack of evidence against him. I can understand the outrage that he wasnt put on trial. That I get. But they made up their mind because Trayvon was black and Zimmerman looks white, thats all the facts they need to convict him. Nothing short of Trayvon crawling out of his grave and siding with Zimmerman would change their minds. There is no doubt in my mind that if Zimmerman was black and Trayvon was white that the NAACP and all those people upset over the verdict would be supporting Zimmerman. That is what makes them racist to me.
I can't open that link. I've seen the map of the property and the re enactment of what happened up until The confrontation. I've also heard the 911 tape in connection with where Zommerman was at the time. Ive seen the re enactment at the same time of night as the night of the crime.
There is nothing to dispute what Zimmerman said happened. It's plausible he was trying to find an address thinking amartin lost him after turning the corner.
Its really an unfortunate situation. Why do people automatically assume that Martin wasn't up to something and Zimmerman is a monster? Basically people are accusing Zimmerman of lying about the events and yet there was nothing in thr trial to dispute what Zimmerman claims happened?
It seems people want to believe that Zimmerman stalked TM, started a fight with him, and then shot hi. When he was getting beat up. What evidence shows Zimmerman confronting TM?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I never said that Zimmerman confronted Martin, no one except Zimmerman or Martin knows what went on before blows were exchanged as the point where Martin was on top of ZImmerman is where the first eye witness came in. Though everyone admits there was a verbal exchange of some sort. For all we know Zimmerman did start the altercation, or maybe Martin did, unfortunately we'll never know cause the only other person involved is dead.
But that wasn't the point I was contesting. I was contesting your point that ZImmerman was "getting out to check a house number" which clearly wasn't the case if you have half a brain. Unless Martin whooped his ass from the street, then they got into a verbal altercation between people's houses, then Martin whooped his ass back there, which I consider highly unlikely.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
The Zimmerman can do no wrong people are kinda sad. Sure Martin shouldn't have attacked him if that's what happened, but for all we know Zimmerman may have attacked first, unfortunately there's not evidence one way or the other for who started the fight aside from the cellphone conversation which brought no evidence of any real sort at all except Martin knew ZImmerman was following him and he asked him what's his problem or something like that and Zimmerman said something like what are you doing here.
Basically the question is, is Zimmerman partially to blame and Martin is more to blame (which was the defenses claim) or is Zimmerman all to blame. We'll never know unfortunately, but what we do know is that a man killed a kid and it was 100% avoidable if he acted like a person should have.
Basically the question is, is Zimmerman partially to blame and Martin is more to blame (which was the defenses claim) or is Zimmerman all to blame. We'll never know unfortunately, but what we do know is that a man killed a kid and it was 100% avoidable if he acted like a person should have.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
No one said that ZImmerman didn't lose the fist fight Bedell. But if he started the fight and then got whooped, then pulled out the gun, he'd be in jail for at least manslaughter. Problem is that the prosecution couldn't prove he did anything criminal before shooting Martin.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
We'll never know who started the fight. What we do know is that if Martin hadn't beaten the ****e out of Zimmerman then this may have been avoidable, to use your own phrasing. Why is that you and the other vigillantes don't say that?
No he wouldn't and no he isn't.
No he wouldn't and no he isn't.
Runnin
Well-known member
Who starts a fistfight when they have a gun in their pocket? I think Zimm provoked this guy by following him around the neighborhood and then by saying something like "What are you doing around here?" Just two punks trying to be tough guys but only one had a gun.
I say make Zimm a policeman for a day and give him the hood to patrol.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
They were both punks. They both erred. Martin is dead. And the case for self-defense was easily made. Sucks. But that's it.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
If someone started a fight with me I would fight back. I'd never assume they had a gun or knife they'd pull on me if they started losing.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
This is a white vs black, Democrat vs Republic scenario that our "Travon could be my son" person started.
It ended like it should, not guilty. The people who are guilty is NBC, the "Travon could be my son" group who instigated this witch hunt.
GZ made a mistake by getting out of his car, that is the only mistake he made and a critical one. His life is forever messed up and will atone for accidentally through his own fault of killing a teenager. There is nothing more any of us on here out there can say or do to change this fact. His conscience is crucifying him as I speak.
Not only he will be punished but all those who supported TM will be punished for thinking irrationally. It TM did not turn around and attack GZ but instead talk to him in a normal way, this would not have escalated. Kids now a days want to be all big and bad when they see someone who looks weaker to them. Would TM pulled that on me? No, I am much bigger badder, silverback type of gorilla that would pummeled him, but GZ was the opposite, a Michelin man type doughboy so TM thought "This cracka is following me, for what" and confronted him. I honestly believe this is the case and about 80 percent of my race would have probably thought the same way, well maybe more. We have that innate feeling of being followed if not the po po we confront them. I would have confronted GZ but I would not have attacked because of how was parented when I grew up. Violence is the last thing my parents told me to use, even to this day, I would rather talk then beat or kill you which I could do.
It ended like it should, not guilty. The people who are guilty is NBC, the "Travon could be my son" group who instigated this witch hunt.
GZ made a mistake by getting out of his car, that is the only mistake he made and a critical one. His life is forever messed up and will atone for accidentally through his own fault of killing a teenager. There is nothing more any of us on here out there can say or do to change this fact. His conscience is crucifying him as I speak.
Not only he will be punished but all those who supported TM will be punished for thinking irrationally. It TM did not turn around and attack GZ but instead talk to him in a normal way, this would not have escalated. Kids now a days want to be all big and bad when they see someone who looks weaker to them. Would TM pulled that on me? No, I am much bigger badder, silverback type of gorilla that would pummeled him, but GZ was the opposite, a Michelin man type doughboy so TM thought "This cracka is following me, for what" and confronted him. I honestly believe this is the case and about 80 percent of my race would have probably thought the same way, well maybe more. We have that innate feeling of being followed if not the po po we confront them. I would have confronted GZ but I would not have attacked because of how was parented when I grew up. Violence is the last thing my parents told me to use, even to this day, I would rather talk then beat or kill you which I could do.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
This was black/white way before Obama said a peep. People made their opinions when the case was made public way before Obama made a peep.
And you don't know if that's the only thing he did wrong, that's just the only thing we can prove he did wrong, which is why he's not in jail.
In the end we can specualte one way or another what happened but only 2 men really know, ZImmerman and Martin, and one of them is dead.
And you don't know if that's the only thing he did wrong, that's just the only thing we can prove he did wrong, which is why he's not in jail.
In the end we can specualte one way or another what happened but only 2 men really know, ZImmerman and Martin, and one of them is dead.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Zeet you are one of the smartest people on this board and have some common sense but this post kind of disagree with my assessment. He stays in the car, nothing happens. THAT IS THE ONLY MISTAKE HE MADE. He got out of the car, other things can happen and did. If you eliminated the first equation will open the doors to many others, that is why I said what I said. So your "you don't know if that's the only thing he did wrong" is kind of moot at that point.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
That's the only mistake we know he made. If he stalked him and confronted him and attacked Martin than he did more wrong than just leaving his car. But we don't know what he did.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Again, stay in car, nothing happens. After that, other things could happen and did, but there is no evidence of such happening so the only assumption is TM attack GZ on his way back and we know the rest of the story.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Hmmm.
I'm a little bummed out by your take on this, BB. I expect more from you, I guess.