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I don't think even the Dems understand how far left they've moved the center of the party.

Going to be massive defections in the next few years.
 
Quite frankly I think that’s the right strategy. In an election where a lot of people are happy to vote against Donald Trump and JD Vance, I think just driving turnout by making (non-right leaning) people want to vote for the person on the ticket is a strong strategy and one the Dems haven’t gotten right in either previous election against Trump. I understand that electoral strategy and covering gaps in the ticket are a real consideration, but this is a campaign very intentionally being built on excitement and energy, and Walz helps with that a lot.

Who is more likeable than a former military/former Astronaut whose wife was the victim of political gun violence?

Seems more likely that the popular picks either turned them down or were deemed far too centrist to match the direction the Dems are going. I also don't see how Walz helps with the swing states. Yes he should help pull MN, but MN is traditionally a left leaning state and recent polling suggests is a likely Harris win before Walz was selected.
 
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Who is more likeable than a former military/former Astronaut whose wife was the victim of political gun violence?

Seems more likely that the popular picks either turned them down or were deemed far too centrist to match the direction the Dems are going.

I think Kelly was seen as too anti-union for this fight, but I would have been happy with him too. This is a much safer move for the Senate too.

Edit: I’m not a big union guy, just reading the room.
 
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How do the Dems win PA now with rabid radicals and shunning Shapiro who is a popular Gov?

Anyone spinning this as a smart decision is not too bright

Because Shapiro will still be out campaigning for Harris. Not the same, but it’s not like they just told Pennsylvanians to go **** themselves.
 
Because Shapiro will still be out campaigning for Harris. Not the same, but it’s not like they just told Pennsylvanians to go **** themselves.

They kind of did - Anyone with a brain knows that Shapiro was the right pick but he was too moderate/Jewish for the left.

That will play out wonderfully well witht he good people of PA.
 
Just as Democrats probably did overthink Shapiro and Kelly from a progressive perspective, I too think conservatives are overthinking Walz from a centrist perspective. The things that make him a big negative in your view aren’t necessarily things the average voter cares about.
 
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Idk I think a lot of voters care about allowing your cities to be burned down.

I just don’t think that attack works in an election against Donald Trump. J6 isn’t the electoral wildfire Dems made it out to be the past 4 years, but I don’t think you can credibly campaign on riots in Minneapolis when Trump is so closely associated with an even more well-known riot.
 
I just don’t think that attack works in an election against Donald Trump. J6 isn’t the electoral wildfire Dems made it out to be the past 4 years, but I don’t think you can credibly campaign on riots in Minneapolis when Trump is so closely associated with an even more well-known riot.

they burned the Capitol down? Wow.
 
I just don’t think that attack works in an election against Donald Trump. J6 isn’t the electoral wildfire Dems made it out to be the past 4 years, but I don’t think you can credibly campaign on riots in Minneapolis when Trump is so closely associated with an even more well-known riot.

Difference is Walz actually had control and chose to allow it to happen. And of course, there was much more death and property destruction in MSP
 
Difference is Walz actually had control and chose to allow it to happen. And of course, there was much more death and property destruction in MSP

I think you’re being naive if you think the general perception is that Walz has more to answer for than Trump on that front though.
 
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Decent little thread here. Walz is not going to be as easy to paint as a Commie as people might think.
 
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Decent little thread here. Walz is not going to be as easy to paint as a Commie as people might think.

One thang I like is he blocked several merger attempts by hospital groups. Antitrust policy is one area a president/governor/attorney general can make a big difference.

We've had a 25 year bipartisan slumber that resulted in much reduced activity on the antitrust front, which helped corporate profits grow much faster than labor income.

That finally started to change under Biden. I'm glad he's suing and winning cases against the likes of Google. Harris and Walz seem to have some pretty good antitrust instincts, given their records as attorney general and governor. It is not an easy thing politically, given the campaign $$ that come from all of these companies looking for insulation against competition.
 
Because Shapiro will still be out campaigning for Harris. Not the same, but it’s not like they just told Pennsylvanians to go **** themselves.

They will need to spin the narrative one way or the other. Passing over a popular Governor from the largest swing state in favor of a relatively unknown (and very liberal) governor from a traditionally blue midwestern state is.... perplexing to say the least. The current narrative being thrown around is that Shapiro either passed on the offer or the Dems view him as too moderate (and fair or not too Jewish) as the VP selection. Neither of these look very well for the Dems.

The other thing to consider is this pick was pretty mediocre overall. Another old white man on a Dem ticket (ok 60 isn't THAT old, but he looks a good bit older than 60 to be fair). It isn't going to give Harris the boost that a bigger name like Shapiro or Kelly or Cooper would have done. Imo, this pick stalls the momentum the Harris campaign had seen the last week and a half. I think next weeks polls will show that.

I suppose Dem voters should thank their lucky stars it wasn't Buttigeg though.
 
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