Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

I’m old enough to remember when legislating via Executive Order was still considered tyranny around these parts.

Yes - When the last regime purposefully tried to destroy the country and almost succeeded you can't wait for a dumb ass congress to fix it.

You guys made the rules. Its not time to say "we can't be like them".

The American people will be the ultimate judge and when all of this works out well the 26 midterms will yield the judgement which shows Trump was right all along.
 
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They should actually be thrown in jail for purposefully lying ot the American people to influence an election.
 
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YES WE DID BITCHES!

Screw you and your stolen elections. The future is ours!!
 
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Send every single one that came with the blessing of the last criminal regime home.

ALL OF THEM
 
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I give him the benefit of the doubt in almost all situations because the man literally saved western civilization.
 
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This looks like draining the swamp to me.

Can we get an update from unfiltered boss on this?
 
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This looks like draining the swamp to me.

Can we get an update from unfiltered boss on this?

If the swamp doesn't get any smaller, there is no draining.

Do we expect the size of government to be bigger or smaller four years from now.

I'll let unfiltered boss find a video of Trump telling me we need brand new agencies to help me inform my opinion
 
If the swamp doesn't get any smaller, there is no draining.

Do we expect the size of government to be bigger or smaller four years from now.

I'll let unfiltered boss find a video of Trump telling me we need brand new agencies to help me inform my opinion

Career people - those being in government for a while and more likely to be part of the money sucking racket that is DC are leaving.

Sturg is unconvinced the swamp is getting smaller. Unfiltered hasn’t shared his opinions yet.
 
Career people - those being in government for a while and more likely to be part of the money sucking racket that is DC are leaving.

Sturg is unconvinced the swamp is getting smaller. Unfiltered hasn’t shared his opinions yet.

They don’t pass the laws, dude. Unless Congress cuts spending or decreases taxes, it doesn’t much matter whose butts are in the seats unless you just want a DEI program for conservative people.
 
They don’t pass the laws, dude. Unless Congress cuts spending or decreases taxes, it doesn’t much matter whose butts are in the seats unless you just want a DEI program for conservative people.

Every person in DC has a purpose which is primarily pushing agendas. The less career people there the better.
 
Career people - those being in government for a while and more likely to be part of the money sucking racket that is DC are leaving.

Sturg is unconvinced the swamp is getting smaller. Unfiltered hasn’t shared his opinions yet.

Listen, there are things I expect Trump to do that are positive. But there are many things I think he will do that are horrible. If everytime i post something that I disagree with is going to trigger you, then what is the point of a message board

For the hundredth time, I have no idea who unfiltered boss is. I do not follow him. I don't know what is resume is, or why I should listen to him.

He posts videos and quotes of Donald trump. I react to things that Donald trump says. I often disagree with Donald trump, who is a lifelong liberal who loves spending, debt, and apparently tarrifs, all things I've been against since I was on these boards in 2012. I can't change my principles as easily as you apparently can, so expect more criticism of Donald trump as long as he continues pushing things i do not like.
 
Informing Ourselves to Death: Trump's Win and American Stupidity (Part 2)
(Part 1 is here.)

We've seen definite signs of the abject stupidity of the American voter in 2024 in so many ways. There are the states where voters put abortion rights in their constitutions but voted for senators who want a national ban. The fact (and it is a fact) that searches for "Did Biden drop out?" spiked on Google on Election Day, as well as searches for "tariffs" and "who pays for tariffs?", may seem like small data points, but it points to a larger issue with deliberate ignorance. Apathy is one thing, as in "I don't care about politics," but that's not an excuse to be totally disengaged. I don't give a damn about football, but I know the Giants and the Jets suck because I pay attention to the world around me.

It's even worse when it comes to the things people believe that simply are untrue. For instance, a Gallup poll released this week showed that a majority of voters don't know what they're talking about. They were asked if "you believe the United States has made progress, stood still or lost ground in each during the last four years, since Joe Biden became president" on a variety of issues. A majority said we've "lost ground" on immigration (64%), the economy (59%), and crime (51%), among others. And that's simply objectively untrue. Immigration is under greater control than it's been in years, so much so that there isn't much for Trump to do at the southern border. The economy is doing great and crime rates are at historic lows.

I get that we face a flood of disinformation, and that the right-wing, especially the MAGA-in-chief, is responsible for it. Just about every word out of Trump's mouth hole during the campaign was a lie, and he continues to lie. And he'll change his tune the second that he's inaugurated and declare that he alone is responsible for every good thing that he's inheriting as he comes into office. Of course, the slavering hordes of idiots who hang on his every word believe him over anything their eyes or ears might tell them.

It's useless to get into the whole idea of how we used to gather 'round the TV and watch Walter Cronkite tell us what's what. It's useless to bemoan the end of newspapers and local media. It's useless to say that CNN used to actually care about that middle N, the one for "news," way more than it does now. It's useless to point out that getting your news from Facebook or Twitter is damaging what we used to think of as information. Every Pandora's Box around has been flung open and Hope had been beaten to death by the Evils in there.

But what I guess I'm getting at here is that while our access to information has blown up to an unwieldy size, so too, has our capacity for accepting facts and ideas that don't comport with what we desire to believe. And, again, I know that's not a new phenomenon, but, as I said last time, it's within the context of being able to challenge our orthodoxies. And that's disheartening.

To put it simply, we who do profess to care about politics and elections are consuming more information than ever. But we do it with such prejudice that anything that doesn't confirm a belief we already hold is dismissed out of hand. So, for example, it should have been an easy task to disabuse people of the notion that trans people are taking over schools or whatever nonsense the right was propagating. There are only 5 trans girls competing as girls in sports in K-12 public schools. And there are fewer than 10 trans athletes in all of college sports. Every uproar on this issue is over a group of students so small that it is statistically zero. And the number of students taking puberty blockers is also so much smaller in proportion to the outrage being expended on the issue. It was a failure of Democrats to not make this their top talking point on trans kids. But it was a failure of anyone getting enraged by the idea that their little cis girl was in imminent "danger" of playing soccer against a trans girl.

Instead, what the right especially is good at is flooding people with sources of information that all affirm each other, from Fox "news" and its devolved descendants to podcasts from verminous exploiters like Steve Bannon and Ben Shapiro to other kinds of media, social or otherwise, so that people have the illusion of being informed because of this daisy chain of affirmation. You only need a couple of percent of people who aren't true believers to think that one lie or another is real and you've won an election.

We're moving into a government that is going to control the information it allows to be disseminated from the government. If one of the tenets of Trumpism is the need to deny that Trump lost the 2020 election, then any studies or research that could reflect badly on Trump will be, at best, suppressed, if not outright discarded, with the void filled with lies. This could be worse than the first Trump administration because at least there were career federal workers who would counter things like injecting bleach. If those workers are purged for loyalists, it's gonna be required that we all bleach our veins because dear leader said it works.

The entire operation of our federal system will be wholly based on lies and disinformation. We don't need Greenland, but you can bet we'll be hearing how the absolute most important thing we can do is take it if we can't buy it. The same with the Panama Canal. (The Canada thing just seems like a joke to piss off Trudeau, but who knows?) And a great deal of effort will be expended to not just do things based on lies, but to actually try to shift reality into the way that Trump and his MAGA freaks want it to be.

And the most aggravating thing about this is that, when asked about it, most voters do seem to have some concept of what's real. For example, a Wall Street Journal poll showed that 75% of people only want undocumented migrants with criminal records deported, with 70% want to "protect longtime residents from removal if they don’t have criminal records." I'd say to a whole lot of people in that poll that that's not what you voted for. You voted for the opposite. And it would have been ridiculously easy to find that out.

So the point to all this is that the information is there. It used to not be there. But it's all there. You can know what’s real and what’s not. You choose not to. That’s what makes you stupid. And that’s what makes you even stupider for electing Donald Trump.

That's my thesis for understanding 2024: the voters "informed" themselves to death, meaning they embraced false information and pretended it was real and didn't care when it was pointed out that they were objectively wrong. For whatever reason, racism or transphobia or misogyny or whatever, facts went out the window, and, frankly, you're just stupid if your prejudice matters more than the truth. Stupidity won, so we get stupidity personified running the joint.
 
Informing Ourselves to Death: Trump's Win and American Stupidity (Part 2)
(Part 1 is here.)

We've seen definite signs of the abject stupidity of the American voter in 2024 in so many ways. There are the states where voters put abortion rights in their constitutions but voted for senators who want a national ban. The fact (and it is a fact) that searches for "Did Biden drop out?" spiked on Google on Election Day, as well as searches for "tariffs" and "who pays for tariffs?", may seem like small data points, but it points to a larger issue with deliberate ignorance. Apathy is one thing, as in "I don't care about politics," but that's not an excuse to be totally disengaged. I don't give a damn about football, but I know the Giants and the Jets suck because I pay attention to the world around me.

It's even worse when it comes to the things people believe that simply are untrue. For instance, a Gallup poll released this week showed that a majority of voters don't know what they're talking about. They were asked if "you believe the United States has made progress, stood still or lost ground in each during the last four years, since Joe Biden became president" on a variety of issues. A majority said we've "lost ground" on immigration (64%), the economy (59%), and crime (51%), among others. And that's simply objectively untrue. Immigration is under greater control than it's been in years, so much so that there isn't much for Trump to do at the southern border. The economy is doing great and crime rates are at historic lows.

I get that we face a flood of disinformation, and that the right-wing, especially the MAGA-in-chief, is responsible for it. Just about every word out of Trump's mouth hole during the campaign was a lie, and he continues to lie. And he'll change his tune the second that he's inaugurated and declare that he alone is responsible for every good thing that he's inheriting as he comes into office. Of course, the slavering hordes of idiots who hang on his every word believe him over anything their eyes or ears might tell them.

It's useless to get into the whole idea of how we used to gather 'round the TV and watch Walter Cronkite tell us what's what. It's useless to bemoan the end of newspapers and local media. It's useless to say that CNN used to actually care about that middle N, the one for "news," way more than it does now. It's useless to point out that getting your news from Facebook or Twitter is damaging what we used to think of as information. Every Pandora's Box around has been flung open and Hope had been beaten to death by the Evils in there.

But what I guess I'm getting at here is that while our access to information has blown up to an unwieldy size, so too, has our capacity for accepting facts and ideas that don't comport with what we desire to believe. And, again, I know that's not a new phenomenon, but, as I said last time, it's within the context of being able to challenge our orthodoxies. And that's disheartening.

To put it simply, we who do profess to care about politics and elections are consuming more information than ever. But we do it with such prejudice that anything that doesn't confirm a belief we already hold is dismissed out of hand. So, for example, it should have been an easy task to disabuse people of the notion that trans people are taking over schools or whatever nonsense the right was propagating. There are only 5 trans girls competing as girls in sports in K-12 public schools. And there are fewer than 10 trans athletes in all of college sports. Every uproar on this issue is over a group of students so small that it is statistically zero. And the number of students taking puberty blockers is also so much smaller in proportion to the outrage being expended on the issue. It was a failure of Democrats to not make this their top talking point on trans kids. But it was a failure of anyone getting enraged by the idea that their little cis girl was in imminent "danger" of playing soccer against a trans girl.

Instead, what the right especially is good at is flooding people with sources of information that all affirm each other, from Fox "news" and its devolved descendants to podcasts from verminous exploiters like Steve Bannon and Ben Shapiro to other kinds of media, social or otherwise, so that people have the illusion of being informed because of this daisy chain of affirmation. You only need a couple of percent of people who aren't true believers to think that one lie or another is real and you've won an election.

We're moving into a government that is going to control the information it allows to be disseminated from the government. If one of the tenets of Trumpism is the need to deny that Trump lost the 2020 election, then any studies or research that could reflect badly on Trump will be, at best, suppressed, if not outright discarded, with the void filled with lies. This could be worse than the first Trump administration because at least there were career federal workers who would counter things like injecting bleach. If those workers are purged for loyalists, it's gonna be required that we all bleach our veins because dear leader said it works.

The entire operation of our federal system will be wholly based on lies and disinformation. We don't need Greenland, but you can bet we'll be hearing how the absolute most important thing we can do is take it if we can't buy it. The same with the Panama Canal. (The Canada thing just seems like a joke to piss off Trudeau, but who knows?) And a great deal of effort will be expended to not just do things based on lies, but to actually try to shift reality into the way that Trump and his MAGA freaks want it to be.

And the most aggravating thing about this is that, when asked about it, most voters do seem to have some concept of what's real. For example, a Wall Street Journal poll showed that 75% of people only want undocumented migrants with criminal records deported, with 70% want to "protect longtime residents from removal if they don’t have criminal records." I'd say to a whole lot of people in that poll that that's not what you voted for. You voted for the opposite. And it would have been ridiculously easy to find that out.

So the point to all this is that the information is there. It used to not be there. But it's all there. You can know what’s real and what’s not. You choose not to. That’s what makes you stupid. And that’s what makes you even stupider for electing Donald Trump.

That's my thesis for understanding 2024: the voters "informed" themselves to death, meaning they embraced false information and pretended it was real and didn't care when it was pointed out that they were objectively wrong. For whatever reason, racism or transphobia or misogyny or whatever, facts went out the window, and, frankly, you're just stupid if your prejudice matters more than the truth. Stupidity won, so we get stupidity personified running the joint.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/trump-inauguration-democratic-party-2024-election

Democrats’ first step forward must be to acknowledge the scale of their repudiation by the voters. They failed to do this in 2016. Back then, they blamed Trump’s election on Facebook and fake news and the manipulations of that dark wizard, Vladimir Putin. The losers of 2016 absolved themselves from any responsibility for their defeat. Ever since, the Democrats have stumbled inside a house of mirrors, where wish is confused with reality and fatal errors appear as a mere failure to communicate. In that place of illusion, they embrace a mythology that elevates them into wondrous spirits—representatives of science, perpetual guardians of “our democracy,” saviors of a dying earth, adjudicators of perfect justice. By definition, only satanic forces could oppose such a chosen people. To abandon this mythology will be traumatic and identity-crushing.

For change to be possible, party leaders must exert pressure—yet the Democrats are currently bereft of leaders. Joe Biden was a hollow figurehead, his performance in office hovering between comical and terrifying. Kamala Harris parachuted into that sock-puppet slot, and then spent $1 billion for the privilege of dancing with Lady Gaga and Ricky Martin. Tim Walz proved an embarrassment.

There are no heirs apparent, and the elder statesmen have served their cause badly. One might think that Bill Clinton would have something to say about triangulation and the forging of “New Democrats,” but his voice has grown quiet from disuse. Since 2016, the dominant Clinton has been Hillary—possibly the Platonic ideal of an out-of-touch elite. Nancy Pelosi is a brilliant tactician, but she resembles a spider at the center of its web: she cut the heart out of Biden’s candidacy to reduce the party’s loss by a few percentage points.

As for Barack Obama, he has wanted to have it both ways: ascend to the Hall of Fame reserved for former two-term presidents, while remaining the biggest star still playing the game. He failed at both roles, appearing too self-interested for a wise statesman and too remote to be an effective campaigner. After the strange episode in which he scolded his black “brothers” for their insufficient loyalty, he has emerged from the election a diminished figure.

Renewal will not arrive from this quarter, and the temptation has grown to grasp for easy answers. Democratic politicians and Hollywood stars are addicted to one another: one side craves glamor, the other gravitas. But where can one find the Democratic equivalent of Elon Musk? Or of podcaster Joe Rogan? Or even of a popular culture icon like Trump himself? Such questions, which assume that the election could have been won by swapping out celebrities, are a sign of intellectual blindness, of an inability to discern cause and effect. After all, Musk, Rogan, and Trump were all once Democrats, left behind by the party’s haphazard flight to the funhouse.

In the absence of real reflection, then, the mythology reasserts itself. Trump must again be viewed as the second coming of Hitler. The Democrats, to their own bleary eyes, resemble the French maquisards, carrying out a noble, if forlorn, “resistance.” Democratic governors are organizing to do battle—yet again—against such “threats to our democracy” as “fast-moving disinformation campaigns.” “Sanctuary” states will—yet again—seek to defy federal efforts to deport illegal migrants. Warned Illinois governor J. B. Pritzker portentously: “You come for my people, you come through me.”

This is like the dreadful sequel to a movie that itself bombed. The Democrats were just defeated on exactly the positions that Pritzker and others—like California’s Gavin Newsom and New Jersey’s Phil Murphy—are swearing to defend to the death. On issue after issue, they have ceded the strategic heights to Trump. They must somehow account for this if they wish to resist him. Rather than advocate censorship, they should invite diversity of opinion. Rather than promote illegality, they should propose generous but sensible immigration policies. There’s a middle ground to be reconquered, where most of the public can be found. Instead, Democrats have chosen to stray ever deeper into delusions.

Democrats have lost control of every branch of the federal government, but they still command most of the great institutions that buttress and bind American society. On the whole, this has been a tremendous source of strength. Every whisper from a Biden or an Obama became a thunderous conformist chorus of assent. Every partisan scheme, like the shadow-banning of critics on social media, was put into action without question. Solidarity with institutional elites is the raft that keeps the Democrats afloat when, like now, they are out of favor and out of power.

But such coddling distorts the field of vision. Amid the standing ovations and endless smiles, the Democrats often cannot see the frowns on the faces of the American public. They enjoy total access to institutional reality but lack windows into a world in which ordinary people suffer from inflation and fear the ravages of crime. There’s rich irony in the Democrats’ self-image as heroic protectors of truth against disinformation, because they go looking for truth in all the wrong places. The New York Times isn’t truth, but that’s where Democrats get their information. The CDC isn’t truth, but Democrats mistake it for infallible science. Hollywood isn’t within shouting distance of truth, but Democrats watch anti-Trump movies like Don’t Look Up and The Apprentice and come away believing that their opinions are universally shared.

The institutions are the warped reflective surfaces of the Democratic Party’s house of mirrors. They dazzle, but lie. To regain a foothold on reality, the Democrats, led by their chieftains, must relearn the difference between hope and fact, no matter how painful the process might be. The alternative is to stagger on for years through glittering chambers that lead nowhere, locked away from the American mainstream, chasing the mirage of their own propaganda.

 
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Remember these kinds of things when the deportation forces are in full effect and Democrats cry foul because they allowed 15M illegals into the country.
 
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Progress but the CCP must have 0% control over the algorithm and no backdoors exist to extract US data.

But....progress.
 
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