GDT 8-17: Hot in Cleveland; Going for a Sweep

msstate7 said:
If he doesn't bring great value, just keep em. He's hardly as horrible as you guys make em out to be. He's at 108 wrc+, .334 xwoba, and 2.4 fWAR in 82 games.
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He's pretty expensive as a backup catcher and he doesn't hit good enough to be a DH.
 
Carp said:
He's pretty expensive as a backup catcher and he doesn't hit good enough to be a DH.
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And Baldwin is cheap. Having the best pair of catchers in baseball for the total seems like a good thing to me. It's moot anyway bc AA isn't trading him. And with Murphy, Fuentes, and Richie knocking at the door next season, can't say I blame AA. Murphy is an outstanding receiver
 
K ok
msstate7 said:
And Baldwin is cheap. Having the best pair of catchers in baseball for the total seems like a good thing to me. It's moot anyway bc AA isn't trading him. And with Murphy, Fuentes, and Richie knocking at the door next season, can't say I blame AA. Murphy is an outstanding receiver
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that is t how it works. Baldwin catching for 130 games would be worth more than Baldwin/murphy splitting time. Only thing this gives you is an expensive insurance policy. Also Murphy value is going to be diminished with ABS surely coming.

Now there is a world where Murphy Baldwin can exist. Murphy can catch 80ish games and Baldwin DH most of those days. When Baldwin catches then Acuna/profar/riley can DH
 
msstate7 said:
And Baldwin is cheap. Having the best pair of catchers in baseball for the total seems like a good thing to me. It's moot anyway bc AA isn't trading him
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That's terrible roster management. What that means is the Drake (the far superior hitter) will have to split time with Murphy. And as I said, Murphy really isn't a good enough hitter to DH half the games.
 
Carp said:
By the way, as I predicted Sean Murphy would go on 2-36 streak or some BS like that and tank a lot of his trade value he had built up at the deadline. It appears I gave him too much credit. He's now 1-39 since the deadline.

We might have gotten a king's ransom at the deadline. If he continues to tank, we might have to eat money to move him.
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He’ll be fine. He’s extremely streaky.
 
Carp said:
That's terrible roster management. What that means is the Drake (the far superior hitter) will have to split time with Murphy. And as I said, Murphy really isn't a good enough hitter to DH half the games.
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There's more to the catcher position than hitting. Again, in less games, Murphy has more fWAR than Baldwin.

The braves have money to spend. They pretty much have a set lineup, so I see them going hard after bichette and maybe an OF if they dont bring back Ozuna.

And I'm also always leery of the sophomore slump. If Baldwin is still outstanding next season, maybe I'd move Murphy next year
 
WaitingFor2017 said:
Are the Braves are a bottom 5 analytics franchise? I thought AA would be all about analytics when hired from the Dodgers, but when the team is led by anti-analytics Snitker and Weiss, one has to wonder.
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I know they use it but the issue comes in with who is interpreting the data. I know they referenced a lot of analytics when signing Profar.
 
Tucker getting booed by Cubs fans in Chicago now lol. They are saying they're thankful they haven't extended him.
 
Murphy has plenty of value…. And as Stated above, let’s not get too high on Drake yet - MH2’s mega slump for example…
 
Sale has praised Murph dozens of times for last year and winning the CY. Now Waldrep says he is the one who helped him. Murphy might be more valuable than anything we trade him for with a lot of young pitching coming.
 
A 1-35 slump is brutal, but his bat — which is very good for a catcher — was never where his main value lies. He’s a defense-first guy who CAN hit and is consistently praised for how well he works with pitchers. The pitching peripherals when he’s behind the plate have reflected that since he arrived.

Would I trade him in a deal that legitimately helps Atlanta now and in the future? Absolutely. But acting like he has little value just because of an offensive slump completely misses the bigger picture.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
A 1-35 slump is brutal, but his bat — which is very good for a catcher — was never where his main value lies. He’s a defense-first guy who CAN hit and is consistently praised for how well he works with pitchers. The pitching peripherals when he’s behind the plate have reflected that since he arrived.

Would I trade him in a deal that legitimately helps Atlanta now and in the future? Absolutely. But acting like he has little value just because of an offensive slump completely misses the bigger picture.
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I don't think this slump which is roughly 15 games, has changed people's opinion much. But if he continues to struggle and his OPS lies around .700 at the seasons end, you can bet that he won't be super appealing on the trade market with that contract.
 
Hudson2 said:
Sale has praised Murph dozens of times for last year and winning the CY. Now Waldrep says he is the one who helped him. Murphy might be more valuable than anything we trade him for with a lot of young pitching coming.
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Murphy wasnt catching him at AAA. That just sounds like basic praise a person gives to be polite. I am pretty sure we can find a catcher who can do that off the scrap heap to be Waldreps personal catcher if we need to.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Murphy wasnt catching him at AAA. That just sounds like basic praise a person gives to be polite. I am pretty sure we can find a catcher who can do that off the scrap heap to be Waldreps personal catcher if we need to.
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That's an above avg hitter also. Yeah, should be easy
 
pitchers have been praising catchers since the beginning of time. TDA also got that praise, but that didn't make him worth 16 million a year and taking AB's away from a clearly better offensive player. When ABS is here next year, the only value Murphy will have is going to be holding runners.
 
msstate7 said:
That's an above avg hitter also. Yeah, should be easy
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I dont need him to be an above average hitter. I will take one Henry Blanco clone. If I am trading Murphy its to upgrade the team somewhere else. Like Steven Kwan for LF so we can DH the statue of Jurickson Profar.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
pitchers have been praising catchers since the beginning of time. TDA also got that praise, but that didn't make him worth 16 million a year and taking AB's away from a clearly better offensive player. When ABS is here next year, the only value Murphy will have is going to be holding runners.
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Remember that rookie pitcher who had a good outing and said "Yeah I did this all on my own, it was really weird throwing to that veteran catcher, we didnt really gel, I wish I had my catcher from AAA to catch my games"
 
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