Tapate50
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Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread
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zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Who the fuck is Sage Steele and why are you following her?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I barely remember people I spent every day with 15+ years ago. I'm not gonna remember an ESPN talking head who probably was doing shit I didn't care about.
Ever heard of following tab?
I stopped following people ages ago - I'd rather train my algorithm.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Well maybe train it better cause you're seeing dumb people.
Whats dumb about saying Obama had a great opportunity to unite and build but only destroyed and divided?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
It wasn't Obama who destroyed and divided, it wasn't one person. You honestly think Obama would have been given a real chance by 25% of the country?
You know what really helped? Pretending that Travon Martin was a good kid. Pretending that Michael Brown was a good guy and shot like an innocent bystandered.
But Obama wasn't interested in bringing the country together. Primary concern was sowing the seeds of a communist revolution just like Ayers taught him.
This can't be a real post.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
who are the leftists who have been trying to kill Trump
ChatGPT said:
There is no credible public evidence that a major coordinated “leftist” group has been trying to kill Donald Trump. But there are individuals who have made threats, been charged in plots, or attempted assassination, and in some cases it’s not clear what their political alignments are. Below are some documented cases and what is known about them. If you like, I can also check ideology and whether any of them appear tied to “the Left.”
Documented Attempts / Plots & Threats Involving Trump
| Name | What they did / were charged with | Known ideology / alignment status |
|---|---|---|
| Ryan Wesley Routh | Attempted assassination of Trump in Florida (September 15, 2024). He was found guilty on multiple federal charges including attempting to assassinate a major presidential candidate. AP News+3Wikipedia+3Department of Justice+3 | His motives are under investigation. There is no verified public information showing he is aligned with leftist political ideology. Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2 |
| Farhad Shakeri, Carlisle Rivera, Jonathan Loadholt | Charged in a murder-for-hire plot to kill Trump, allegedly directed from Iran via the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The Washington Post+1 | Foreign actor, tied to a state-sponsored plot. Not a domestic leftist. WDSU+1 |
| Daniel Alan Baker | Arrested for plotting an attack on pro-Trump gatherings in Tallahassee; recruited people to use violence. Florida Phoenix+1 | Described as an “anarchist.” That is a left-oriented term in some contexts, but “anarchist” doesn’t necessarily equate with an organized leftist political group. Also, that plot was directed at pro-Trump groups rather than a confirmed assassination attempt on Trump himself. Florida Phoenix |
| Thomas Eugene Streavel | Charged with threatening to assassinate then-President-elect Trump after the 2020 election. Department of Justice | The public information doesn’t clearly indicate ideological alignment with any specific leftist movement. Threats do not always come from someone who is part of an organized political ideology. Department of Justice |
What Is Not Supported by Evidence
- There is no verified case so far (in the public domain) of an assassination attempt or plot on Trump that is clearly linked to a large left-wing organization (like, for example, organized antifascist or socialist groups).
- Claims by various commentators that “leftists are trying to kill Trump” tend to come from isolated threats or from individuals, not from formally organized leftist movements. Some of those claims are speculative.
Hopefully the boroughs and long island of New York vote heavily against the Dems for pushing a communist mayor in NYC.
Should we go over again the countless people, some of them politicians or worked for politicians, some of them celebrities, who cheered when Trump was shot?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I think most of us actually support Hamas and other terrorists.
LOL at using ChatGPT. And a poorly worded prompt at that.who are the leftists who have been trying to kill Trump
ChatGPT said:
There is no credible public evidence that a major coordinated “leftist” group has been trying to kill Donald Trump. But there are individuals who have made threats, been charged in plots, or attempted assassination, and in some cases it’s not clear what their political alignments are. Below are some documented cases and what is known about them. If you like, I can also check ideology and whether any of them appear tied to “the Left.”
Name What they did / were charged with Known ideology / alignment status Ryan Wesley Routh Attempted assassination of Trump in Florida (September 15, 2024). He was found guilty on multiple federal charges including attempting to assassinate a major presidential candidate. AP News+3Wikipedia+3Department of Justice+3 His motives are under investigation. There is no verified public information showing he is aligned with leftist political ideology. Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2 Farhad Shakeri, Carlisle Rivera, Jonathan Loadholt Charged in a murder-for-hire plot to kill Trump, allegedly directed from Iran via the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The Washington Post+1 Foreign actor, tied to a state-sponsored plot. Not a domestic leftist. WDSU+1 Daniel Alan Baker Arrested for plotting an attack on pro-Trump gatherings in Tallahassee; recruited people to use violence. Florida Phoenix+1 Described as an “anarchist.” That is a left-oriented term in some contexts, but “anarchist” doesn’t necessarily equate with an organized leftist political group. Also, that plot was directed at pro-Trump groups rather than a confirmed assassination attempt on Trump himself. Florida Phoenix Thomas Eugene Streavel Charged with threatening to assassinate then-President-elect Trump after the 2020 election. Department of Justice The public information doesn’t clearly indicate ideological alignment with any specific leftist movement. Threats do not always come from someone who is part of an organized political ideology. Department of Justice
- There is no verified case so far (in the public domain) of an assassination attempt or plot on Trump that is clearly linked to a large left-wing organization (like, for example, organized antifascist or socialist groups).
- Claims by various commentators that “leftists are trying to kill Trump” tend to come from isolated threats or from individuals, not from formally organized leftist movements. Some of those claims are speculative.
And LMAO that RWR had no verified public info that he aligned with leftist ideology.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
enlighten us
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
what is known about Ryan Wesley Routh's ideology
If you like, I can pull together the primary sources (tweets, writings, book excerpts) to help you judge how radical or mainstream his ideology is. Do you want me to do that?
ChatGPT said:
Here’s a summary of what is publicly known (as of now) about Ryan Wesley Routh’s ideology / political views — what is clearer, what is murkier, and where information comes from.What
- Independent / Unaffiliated Voter
- Routh was registered as a Democrat in North Carolina in 1988. FactCheck.org+2PolitiFact+2
- Then he changed his party affiliation to “unaffiliated” in 2002. PolitiFact+1
- He has stayed unaffiliated for many years. NewsX+2FactCheck.org+2
- Evolving / Mixed Political Support
- He expressed support for Donald Trump in 2016. Newsweek+2FactCheck.org+2
- At later times, he voiced disappointment with Trump. For instance, in social media posts by 2020 he said “I will be glad when you are gone.” NPR+2Wikipedia+2
- He also supported Bernie Sanders (in 2020) and Tulsi Gabbard. FactCheck.org+2NPR+2
- More recently, he has expressed concern about “protecting democracy” and made small donations to Democratic causes. ABC17NEWS+3WHYY+3FactCheck.org+3
- Strong Support for Ukraine in the Russia-Ukraine War
- Routh has repeatedly expressed support for Ukraine. Anadolu Ajansı+3NPR+3ABC17NEWS+3
- He attempted to recruit for Ukraine, contacted foreign fighters, wanted to join or did go to Ukraine, and has written a self-published book (2023) that is supportive of Ukraine. Wikipedia+3ABC17NEWS+3Anadolu Ajansı+3
- He described the conflict (Ukraine vs Russia) in stark terms, e.g. “good versus evil.” ABC17NEWS+1
- Critical of Both Major Parties, Disillusionment
- He’s criticized both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, in particular for how they treat independent candidates. Wikipedia+1
- He self-identifies as independent, resisting being “put in a category” of party affiliation. NewsX+1
- Some Statements Suggesting Support for Political Violence / Extreme Frustration
- In his book, he wrote things like “you are free to assassinate Trump as well as me for that error in judgment.” Wikipedia+2NPR+2
- He has made posts expressing anger / desire for serious change, sometimes radical. WHYY+1
What Is
- Consistent Ideological Label:
It is not clear that Routh fits neatly into a standard ideological category like “leftist,” “progressive,” “far-right,” etc. His views and actions seem to be a mix, sometimes aligned with causes more often associated with the left (like pro-Ukraine, human rights) and sometimes critical of both parties. Al Jazeera+2FactCheck.org+2 - Mental Health / Delusions:
Some reports (including Ukrainian officials) describe parts of his activity (especially recruitment of foreign fighters, claims of being part of Ukraine’s International Legion, etc.) as having “delusional ideas” or unrealistic / exaggerated claims. ABC17NEWS+1
His legal team is considering insanity defenses. Wikipedia - Motivation for the Attempt:
There’s not yet a fully verified, clear motive established publicly. His writings, social media, and his book suggest anger at Trump, disappointment, frustration, disillusionment. But whether those feelings alone explain the attempt, or whether there are more specific ideological drivers, remains uncertain. NPR+2FactCheck.org+2 - Consistency Over Time:
His political beliefs seem to have changed over time. He may have voted for or supported different candidates, sometimes Democratic, sometimes showing features more independent or even expressing support for different political figures (including some Republicans later). FactCheck.org+2WHYY+2
Tentative Characterization
Based on what's known:- Routh appears to be someone who sees himself as outside the mainstream binary party system (Republican vs Democrat), often critical of both.
- His ideology seems to include: support for democracy (or at least what he considers democratic values), strong anti-authoritarian or anti-autocratic sentiment (especially in the context of Russia-Ukraine), disillusionment with Trump and with political establishments.
- He seems attracted to causes he views as moral or ethical (Ukraine, human rights) and is vocal about those.
- But also, some of his ideas and claims are regarded by others as unrealistic, grandiose, or delusional.
If you like, I can pull together the primary sources (tweets, writings, book excerpts) to help you judge how radical or mainstream his ideology is. Do you want me to do that?