Ferguson....
- Thread starter goldfly
- Start date
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
The St. Louis County Prosecutor’s Office has put out all the evidence and testimony tonight in the Ferguson grand jury case, including testimony from Officer Darren Wilson himself.
Wilson explained that he first saw Brown and Dorian Johnson when they were walking down the middle of the road. He said, “As he [Brown] came around to the mirror I said, ‘Well, what’s wrong with the sidewalk?’ Brown then replied… ‘**** what you have to say.’”
Wilson then reportedly saw the Cigarillos, realized he must have been the suspect who stole from a convenience store he heard about in his police car, and angled the vehicle to cut him off. He opened his car door and beckoned Brown over. This is what Wilson said happened next:
“As I’m opening the door he turns, faces me, looks at me and says, ‘What the **** are you going to do about it”, and shuts my door, slammed it shut. I haven’t even got it open enough to get my leg out, it was only a few inches.”
Wilson said Brown was attempting to overpower him, and after telling him to “get the **** back,” that’s when they had their physical altercation inside his car. When he reached for the gun, Wilson told the grand jury, “I said, ‘Get back or I’m going to shoot you.’ He immediately grabs my gun and says, ‘You are too much of a pussy to shoot me.’”
He grabbed his gun back and it went off twice in the car. When Brown started running, Wilson chased him. And this is what Wilson said he was facing when Brown stopped:
“I tell him to get on the ground… He turns, and when he looked at me, he made like a grunting, like aggravated sound and he starts, he turns and he’s coming back towards me. His first step is coming towards me, he kind of does like a stutter step to start running. When he does that, his left hand goes in a fist and goes to his side, his right one goes under his shirt in his waistband and he starts running at me.”
Wilson fired at Brown multiple times, but as he said, “it looked like he was almost bulking up to run through the shots, like it was making him mad that I’m shooting at him.”
He said he didn’t remember how many times he shot, but once he saw “the aggression was gone” in Brown’s face, he knew “the threat was stopped.”
Wilson was asked why he didn’t wait for backup. He said, “I thought I would be able to just stall until someone got there… I wanted to be out of the car, that way if I need to run I can run.”
No common sense whatsoever. I am a big dude and even I would have waited for backup. He did what he had to do to save himself, I grant him that, but he should have used sense and I bet he would have waited next time.
Wilson explained that he first saw Brown and Dorian Johnson when they were walking down the middle of the road. He said, “As he [Brown] came around to the mirror I said, ‘Well, what’s wrong with the sidewalk?’ Brown then replied… ‘**** what you have to say.’”
Wilson then reportedly saw the Cigarillos, realized he must have been the suspect who stole from a convenience store he heard about in his police car, and angled the vehicle to cut him off. He opened his car door and beckoned Brown over. This is what Wilson said happened next:
“As I’m opening the door he turns, faces me, looks at me and says, ‘What the **** are you going to do about it”, and shuts my door, slammed it shut. I haven’t even got it open enough to get my leg out, it was only a few inches.”
Wilson said Brown was attempting to overpower him, and after telling him to “get the **** back,” that’s when they had their physical altercation inside his car. When he reached for the gun, Wilson told the grand jury, “I said, ‘Get back or I’m going to shoot you.’ He immediately grabs my gun and says, ‘You are too much of a pussy to shoot me.’”
He grabbed his gun back and it went off twice in the car. When Brown started running, Wilson chased him. And this is what Wilson said he was facing when Brown stopped:
“I tell him to get on the ground… He turns, and when he looked at me, he made like a grunting, like aggravated sound and he starts, he turns and he’s coming back towards me. His first step is coming towards me, he kind of does like a stutter step to start running. When he does that, his left hand goes in a fist and goes to his side, his right one goes under his shirt in his waistband and he starts running at me.”
Wilson fired at Brown multiple times, but as he said, “it looked like he was almost bulking up to run through the shots, like it was making him mad that I’m shooting at him.”
He said he didn’t remember how many times he shot, but once he saw “the aggression was gone” in Brown’s face, he knew “the threat was stopped.”
Wilson was asked why he didn’t wait for backup. He said, “I thought I would be able to just stall until someone got there… I wanted to be out of the car, that way if I need to run I can run.”
No common sense whatsoever. I am a big dude and even I would have waited for backup. He did what he had to do to save himself, I grant him that, but he should have used sense and I bet he would have waited next time.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Have you ever heard of somethign called context. Brown's and Wilson's actions are justified/villified bythe events around them. Wilson admitted in his testimony before the grand jury that Brown didn't reach for his gun before he pulled it on him. Then the gun was pointed at his hip before he was able to out wrestle hulk hogan and aim it at him.
BTW on an unrelated note, this is such a fantastic article for context
http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch...ons-testimony-familiar-themes-about-black-men
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I know 5'1 women who would drop his ass. I think using size as an excuse is jsut that, an excuse.
Does this change anything?
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Even if he was steriotyped (which I have stated within this very thread happens) BROWN WAS A CRIMINAL! Amazing how that is not even discussed by some on this forum. If he just acts like a civilized person then he is still living today and yet all we blame is an officer that had to deal with being attacked.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Honestly yes. I mean Brown still wasn't right to reach for it. But I can see that being a survival instinct that could kick in to get the gun and point it away from you. Again you didn't grow up in his shoes so you don't know what he saw and therefore what his survival instinct is. As a white person your survival instinct would be hands up and back away, but you dont' knwo what he saw happen or heard stories of.
Didn't you say earlier, he should have been stereotyped (Wilson call for backup bc it's a black man)
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
My large point is this, I was skeptical before, I'm more skeptical having read Wilson's testimony. Not being able to hold brown's arm cause of how strong he was0, but being able to reverse the gun despite a massive leverage advantage for Brown? How he claims he saw Cigarillos in his hands despite no other eye witness I've read saying that. And as I stated before, his own superior said the reason he approached Brown was because of him being in the middle of the street not the robbery but somehow down the line Wilson changed his opinion. If i had to guess, it's the same issue you have with eye witnesses. Something in his mind said something isn't right with these thugs walking down the middle of the street, and then when he found out Brown was the robber he thinks that he suspected it all along cause he had a gut feeling.
Survival instinct says push the cop back into his car and reach for his gun. That is interesting.
You are incorrect as usual. He initially spoke to him about moving to the sidewalk where Brown mouthed off to him. Then when he returned, he realized he was a possible suspect.
When did I say anything about size? I said woman.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Right, cause again, he never told this to anyone before which is why his POLICE CHIEF SAID THEY WEREN'T RELATED. I'm gonna go out on a major limb here and after the incident Wilson gave his statement to the police before being put on leave. I'm gonna assume at no point between then and the video of Brown being released ddi he change his mind because when hie POLICE CHIEF said the 2 incidents weren't at all related. I assume he had the most accurate and up to date information from Wilson. Of course you I assume just think the police chief is an idiot or something like that. Cause you've never refuted that.
Wow, NAILED IT!
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Again you're going into a country you have no idea about. You're not a poor black kid, you don't know what he grew up with.
And you aren't a white police officer getting attacked. Wow, amazing.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Lol. Ok that's rich. That was a good joke there. You're comparing apples and rotten meat.
So the excuse for every thing a black kid does wrong is that its because this is how he grew up.
This is the exact reason why blacks can't break out from their situation. The whole world has them convinced its impossible. What a joke.
I guess every black person who doesn't commit a crime in their life is an outlier.
This is the exact reason why blacks can't break out from their situation. The whole world has them convinced its impossible. What a joke.
I guess every black person who doesn't commit a crime in their life is an outlier.