the CIA torture report is sickening

57Brave said:
Well Im against the Designated Hitter too ! I find it as relevant to this conversation as abortion.

Why is it, every time a redstater finds themselves on the short end of a political / current events discussion they think they get to use abortion as their trump card.

Fact of the matter -- no one is for abortion.

Just like no one is for appendectomy or knee replacement.

I respect one's view as far as it affects their family. But in this case I dont see where this has anything to do with the discussion.

We are talking about our government going across the world torturing people then lying about it.

Hysterectomy or vasectomy. Against them too .

Just like abortion
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No, not "just like." But carry on with your moral indignation.
 
Garmel said:
When you go "Wow" when I say something about murdered Christians it doesn't make it off topic.
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So weird and dumb logic you have there with that statement

But hey, you most likely think just like the families that our drone strikes kill and the people we torture and kill
 
Hawk said:
Goldfly is an atheist, so religious genocide is of little practical importance to him.
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To be fair: it's pretty easy to be both an atheist and find religious genocide of practical importance—both from a general moral perspective and as a matter of self-interest, considering atheism is a belief-system (albeit one of absence instead of presence) that could just as easily be (and sometimes is) violently persecuted.
 
Garmel said:
100,000 Christians a year are put to death by most estimates, mostly in the Middle East.
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also, this statement is a lie:

Estimates of the total number killed range from around 7,000 or 8,000, according to the International Institute for Religious Freedom’s Thomas Schirrmacher, to the lofty 100,000 estimate of the Center for the Study of Global Christianity.
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one group that doesn't come close to any other group doesn't equal "by most estimates"

btw:

Syria heads the list of the countries in which the most Christians were killed for their faith (1,213), followed by Nigeria (612), Pakistan (88) and Egypt (83).

Of the top 10, six are in Africa – with Kenya (20), Angola (16), Niger (15) and the Central African Republic (9) joining Nigeria and Egypt on the list.
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seriously, go sleep the booze off and come back tomorrow with a new way to say it is ok for us to torture and kill people
 
Don't forget boys and girls. 100,000 Christians killed a year in genocide= Drone bombings. We have goldfly to thank for it.
 
BedellBrave said:
No, not "just like." But carry on with your moral indignation.
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Let's agree that that is a discussion for another day and has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

Moral indignation --- you really typed that after scolding me ? :)

But to humor you I will again point out, no one is for abortion.
There is a majority of Americans that allow that there are circumstances where this procedure is the best / worst option.
Big difference than making it the political football of for or against
 
Garmel said:
Don't forget boys and girls. 100,000 Christians killed a year in genocide= Drone bombings. We have goldfly to thank for it.
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you get really dumb when you drink

did you know that?

i compared your statement

not your made up bull**** stat of 100k people

but hey, run with it if it makes you happy
 
goldfly said:
you get really dumb when you drink

did you know that?

i compared your statement

not your made up bull**** stat of 100k people

but hey, run with it if it makes you happy
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How can it be bull**** when there are estimates of 100,000. You even said it yourself.
 
by most estimates
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are you this stupid all the time or just when drunk?

to pin your stat on one group when they are the only group with that number and you use " by most estimates"

1 isn't most

it isn't the majority

it isn't even some or a few

seriously, go to bed
 
jpx7 said:
To be fair: it's pretty easy to be both an atheist and find religious genocide of practical importance—both from a general moral perspective and as a matter of self-interest, considering atheism is a belief-system (albeit one of absence instead of presence) that could just as easily be (and sometimes is) violently persecuted.
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I think it may be a bit of a stretch to assert that an atheist can commiserate on the same emotional level as an individual with strong messianic beliefs when it comes to an issue like genocidal persecution.

Belief persecution? Absolutely.
 
57Brave said:
Let's agree that that is a discussion for another day and has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

Moral indignation --- you really typed that after scolding me ? :)

But to humor you I will again point out, no one is for abortion.
There is a majority of Americans that allow that there are circumstances where this procedure is the best / worst option.
Big difference than making it the political football of for or against
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I think you are working from a different definition of "scolding" than I am.

I do appreciate though your above thoughts to the previous, "abortion is just like a knee replacement," calloused reasoning. That sort of talk just doesn't square with being concerned (rightfully so) with these reports of torture. Imho, it lessens the weight of your indignation.
 
gilesfan said:
It depends. This is just one report (from a democratic senator, I believe?)

If torture is needed and gets the information to the CIA to save our lives, I'm all for it. If it doesn't work, it's dumb and they should stop.
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Nothing works until it does. This makes no sense.
 
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