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Heyward said:
Kawhi plays in a great system but i dont know how he'd do if he was the focal point or top 2 where he had to create his own offense.

Paul George and AD are right there also provided PG recovers long-term.
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Re: Kawhi, That's fair, but you can say the same about Butler imo.

And I also said Kawhi long term. Butler is probably a little bit better right now.
 
chop2chip said:
Re: Kawhi, That's fair, but you can say the same about Butler imo.
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It's nowhere close to the same.

Bulls dont have the system that SA does.

Butler has been THE offense for most of the year, he's creating shots on his own without the offensive sets that SA runs. Especially with Rose in/out of the lineup.
 
thethe said:
I'm not going to jump on Davis and his defensive ability just yet. He has a lot to learn aside from just getting blocks and steams. Georg3 and Leonard are definitely right there thiugh.
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HOLD THE **** UP...........

So you "wont jump in on" Davis but you will on ANDRE ****ING ROBERSON

............WHAT IN THE ACTUAL **** IS GOING ON...............................
 
BRule said:
HOLD THE **** UP...........

So you "wont jump in on" Davis but you will on ANDRE ****ING ROBERSON

............WHAT IN THE ACTUAL **** IS GOING ON...............................
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Maybe because the thinder are a ridiculous defensive team when robersoRoberson plays and meh when he doesnt?
 
thethe said:
Oh...it's strictly coincidence then.
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You're missing the point, you go all-in on anything Thunder/Brave/SF but you "don't buy" Anthony Davis. That's ****ing hilarious.

Also, Harden is a better 2 way player than Butler this year as he ranks 2nd in D Win Shares and is a worlds better offensive player.
 
thethe said:
Where is Davis impact on their actual defense?
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Well he ranks 8th in DRPM

Which is defined as

"DRPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team defensive performance, measured in points allowed per 100 defensive possessions"

Fwiw, Jimmy Butler ranks 217th.
 
BRule said:
You're missing the point, you go all-in on anything Thunder/Brave/SF but you "don't buy" Anthony Davis. That's ****ing hilarious.

Also, Harden is a better 2 way player than Butler this year as he ranks 2nd in D Win Shares and is a worlds better offensive player.
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No...we just haven't seen an actual impact of Anthony Davis on the Pelicans defense yet.

Lol at Harden. Playing better defense but if you watched the games you would still see he is awful on the ball.
 
Overall in RPM

Davis is 8th

Butler is 17th

RPM defined as

RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors
 
thethe said:
Where is Davis impact on their actual defense?
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14th in DSW
7th in +/-
2nd in block %
1st in BPG
1st in Blocks
1st in EFF
9th in REB

NOLA is -7.5 when he's off the court. Chicago is -0.8 when Butler is off the court
He's +21.2 in net production, Butler is +8.6.
 
Heyward said:
It's nowhere close to the same.

Bulls dont have the system that SA does.

Butler has been THE offense for most of the year, he's creating shots on his own without the offensive sets that SA runs. Especially with Rose in/out of the lineup.
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I agree on the offensive side. Butler is the better player which is actually surprising considering that he was pretty meh in past seasons.

Defensively though, Thibs is pretty much regarded as a defensive genius, no? Also playing with Noah and Taj helps out a lot.

That's what I meant by system.
 
chop2chip said:
Overall in RPM

Davis is 8th
Butler is 17th

RPM defined as

RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors
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RPM is relatively new but I think its promising.

B-ref has his defensive rating at 102 and that gets down to a points allowed metric. I think it shows he has much to learn. Now with his ability he can get there easily but he has a long ways to go.

But hey, we could use RPM if you want. Andre Roberson is the 24th best player in the league! I WAS RIGHT!!
 
Heyward said:
Jimmy Butler is the best 2-way player in the league.

Those type of players are max guys.

Who can play both ends of the floor, Butler is a star in the making if he isnt already. Gonna get paid this summer though.
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The lulz
 
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