Gattis Traded To Astros (pg. 13)

zitothebrave said:
Career OPS+ when one player is going into year 10 and one into year 6 is not really relevant.

Markakis's last season with a OPS+ over 110 and 140 games or more played was Jason's rookie season. Markakis being a fantastic hitter in 2008 doesn't play much into his 2015 performance. Nor does Jason's 2010 performance.
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The number of seasons played is irrelevant since that stat is an AVERAGE.
 
Hart's going to sign Heyward to a big contract next year.

Just wanted to get Shelby and Tyrell. What a team player Heyward is. OK's the trade so the Braves can get some nice pitching talent because he knows we don't plan on competing this year, then comes back to be the hero.
 
Heywood said:
Hart's going to sign Heyward to a big contract next year.

Just wanted to get Shelby and Tyrell. What a team player Heyward is. OK's the trade so the Braves can get some nice pitching talent because he knows we don't plan on competing this year, then comes back to be the hero.
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i wish this was true

:Sad:
 
Certainly isn't the worst move we've made. Idk what else to say at this point except some of you will blindly defend this regime and we better win 110 games in 2017.
 
Heywood said:
Hart's going to sign Heyward to a big contract next year

Just wanted to get Shelby and Tyrell. What a team player Heyward is. OK's the trade so the Braves can get some nice pitching talent because he knows we don't plan on competing this year, then comes back to be the hero.
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I am holding out hope that this is true. They can't come right out and say it because that would be collusion or something. The little spat they had after he was traded was just a way to cover their tracks. He specifically said they didn't talk about an extension so when he comes back no one can say that it was tampering.
 
blueagleace1 said:
I'm sorry, and I may be (know I am) the minority in saying this, but I don't see why everyone thinks our offense is automatically going to be worse (if that is possible) than it was last year. Here's why:

Are people assuming that since we traded away two of our power bats, that our offense is going to be worse? As the old saying goes "There's more than one way to skin a cat" why do we have to have guys to hit home runs to score runs? We've taken this approach for the last 3-4 years and have nothing to show for it. Why not take the approach of: Let's get guys who get on-base at the top of our lineup and then guys who put the ball in play (high contact rate with low strikeout rate) in the middle of the order as run producers. So instead of having guys who can hit 25+ homers but strikeout 150+ times, we have guys who are going to hit 10-15 homers (maybe 15-20 if lucky) but only strikeout less than 100 times per year.

In the end, should it matter how the runs are scored whether it be by home runs (in the past) or by getting hits with RISP, as long as they are scored? With us having more guys with higher OBP, shouldn't we have more opportunities to score runs?

Ideally, wouldn't a trade for Allen Craig be ideal now? For these reasons:

1. Shouldn't cost much
2. Can play LF (a better defender than Gattis) and protect Freeman in the order
3. Is under club control thru 2017 with a team option for 2018
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2014 MLB HR Ranks - Playoff Teams

1.) Baltimore
6.) Pittsburgh
7.) LA Angels
9.) Detroit
10.) Washington
13.) Oakland
16.) LA Dodgers
17.) San Francisco
29.) St. Louis
30.) Kansas City

Now I'm not sure what all that means, but I do know that 3 out of the Final Four finished in the bottom half of the league in that department, and two of the teams that finished in the Top 10 were eliminated immediately.
 
I know I'm guilty of skipping around a little, but when was it reported that the Braves were also sending Hoyt to the Astros? Not that I have a problem with that; he hit a big ol' wall this season and is pushing 30.
 
clvclv said:
2014 MLB HR Ranks - Playoff Teams

1.) Baltimore
6.) Pittsburgh
7.) LA Angels
9.) Detroit
10.) Washington
13.) Oakland
16.) LA Dodgers
17.) San Francisco
29.) St. Louis
30.) Kansas City

Now I'm not sure what all that means, but I do know that 3 out of the Final Four finished in the bottom half of the league in that department, and two of the teams that finished in the Top 10 were eliminated immediately.
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Thank you [MENTION=70]clvclv[/MENTION] I'm glad someone else see's that hitting home runs isn't the only way to score runs. I firmly believe that our offense in 2015 will be better as a whole (we will definitely hit fewer homers) than it was in 2014.
 
rico43 said:
I know I'm guilty of skipping around a little, but when was it reported that the Braves were also sending Hoyt to the Astros? Not that I have a problem with that; he hit a big ol' wall this season and is pushing 30.
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First time I saw it was from Bowman around 930pm
 
CyYoung31 said:
Umm, Sturg isn't typically a negative poster in regards to the Braves. Neither am I. It's okay to be critical or skeptical when necessary.
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To be fair, many posters on this board have been overly negative since Wren was shown the door and Heyward was traded. So historically, these posters have not been negative but recent history has shown a different face.
 
blueagleace1 said:
Thank you [MENTION=70]clvclv[/MENTION] I'm glad someone else see's that hitting home runs isn't the only way to score runs. I firmly believe that our offense in 2015 will be better as a whole (we will definitely hit fewer homers) than it was in 2014.
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While I agree with you that hitting homeruns isn't the only way to score, not having homerun hitters doesn't necessarily mean that you have quality hitters that will get on base a lot and drive each other in. If you can't hit homeruns, you had better be exceptional at getting on base and stringing multiple hits together. Can you even argue that the Braves will be adequate in these areas? Much less, exceptional.

Let's not be obtuse here and ignore common sense. Though I personally do not believe that Heyward was the kind of offensive player that we could afford to pay like a juggernaut, his next few seasons certainly should be much more productive than Markakis. We will not be better off with Markakis in RF, though he will not be paid to be an offensive beast, which is how we would have had to pay Heyward to keep him.
 
From my view, it was very hard to watch this team at the plate the past few years. Our inability to play small ball and come through with runners in scoring position was infuriating. It made it not fun at all.

Also, had we kept all of the pieces and decided to go for it this year and came up short, it very well may have set the organization back 5 years.
 
Some posters are always grumpy, some are always positive, some are nervous nellies. The ones that are of interest to me are those with an opinion that is backed up by some facts and logic. That sometimes are positive on a deal and sometimes negative depending on some criteria they take the trouble to explain to the rest of us.
 
NYCBrave said:
From my view, it was very hard to watch this team at the plate the past few years. Our inability to play small ball and come through with runners in scoring position was infuriating. It made it not fun at all.

Also, had we kept all of the pieces and decided to go for it this year and came up short, it very well may have set the organization back 5 years.
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Not that i prefered going "for it" this year... but had we done so, we would have still gotten draft pick compensation. The difference between that and what we got for the Upton and Heyward trades wasnt that dramatic. Imo.
 
Perfect Cell said:
Not that i prefered going "for it" this year... but had we done so, we would have still gotten draft pick compensation. The difference between that and what we got for the Upton and Heyward trades wasnt that dramatic. Imo.
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Really? What's the likelihood that any of those picks would have been a top 10 prospect like Miller was?
 
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