Braves sign Chase Utley (lite) to a minor league deal

zbhargrove said:
How does this thread turn into a Beltre HOF debate??
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When a man loves a player very, very much . . .

Besides, there is quite possibly nothing this board can say about Kelly Johnson that hasn't been said approximately eleventy threve bazillion times over the last decade or so.
 
Knucksie said:
That's not the point. Has nothing to do with my opinion. It's about what's realistic. Somebody who, at best, finished 9th in MVP voting and had 3 All Star appearances, clearly wasn't regarded as "a cut above the rest" during his active playing career. Eventually, retiring isn't going to change anything. The guy will have earned a very nice living, playing a fun sport with over 3 months off.

Anyhow, spend the time with that site. That was the reason for posting it.
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It is very much your opinion that he has no chance at getting in. All that I -along with others- are saying is that a case could be made (either way) for Ramirez.
 
Dalyn said:
I stopped reading after Utley! This is great news. Really turns the season around if he can stay healthy. Can't believe the Phillies let him go.
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Yeah, I'm really surprised we could fit him in, salary-wise. But it explains why we let Pena, who clearly looks like a Hart player, go to the Padres.
 
blueagleace1 said:
It is very much your opinion that he has no chance at getting in.
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As said before, which you apparently missed, is we can wait until 5 years after retirement and re-visit the subject, assuming this forum is still active. If he receives more than 50% of the vote, you can say "told ya so."


blueagleace1 said:
All that I -along with others-
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Yes, it's understood that there's very much a "follow the crowd" element within the membership here. You must also understand that some of them don't actually attend games, have a grasp of the history and basically just play around on the internet all day long.

blueagleace1 said:
are saying is that a case could be made (either way) for Ramirez.
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Unless you're going to visit the posted site (this was intended as a favor) to show a number of great or even excellent players who are not in the Hall. Nothing distinguishes this player from them.

So what if a couple of posters "think there's a case"? What matters is if 75% of those who vote think so and they won't. This player isn't even discussed as being special while active, so there's no reason to expect some massive re-assessment in the future.
 
Knucksie said:
As said before, which you apparently missed, is we can wait until 5 years after retirement and re-visit the subject, assuming this forum is still active. If he receives more than 50% of the vote, you can say "told ya so."


Yes, it's understood that there's very much a "follow the crowd" element within the membership here. You must also understand that some of them don't actually attend games, have a grasp of the history and basically just play around on the internet all day long.

Unless you're going to visit the posted site (this was intended as a favor) to show a number of great or even excellent players who are not in the Hall. Nothing distinguishes this player from them.

So what if a couple of posters "think there's a case"? What matters is if 75% of those who vote think so and they won't. This player isn't even discussed as being special while active, so there's no reason to expect some massive re-assessment in the future.
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I tell you what... you are exactly right.
 
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