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The difference is that small market teams aren't at a direct disadvantage in the NFL. So I understand thethe's point.

But watch MLB continue to castrate the amateur market's earning potential. You'll start to see more and more elite talent put down baseball gloves for basketballs and footballs.

But there is no difference to current amateurs in america. People are going to stop playing footall imo in the future. And the money is still better in baseball in the long run than any other sportm
 
The difference is that small market teams aren't at a direct disadvantage in the NFL. So I understand thethe's point.

But watch MLB continue to castrate the amateur market's earning potential. You'll start to see more and more elite talent put down baseball gloves for basketballs and footballs.

Yeah, I know. But, that's not what thethe meant. People don't care if their team is at a disadvantage, they care if they win. And they usually don't in the NFL. Not that that keeps people from watching, so thethe's suggestion is wrong.
 
Yeah, I know. But, that's not what thethe meant. People don't care if their team is at a disadvantage, they care if they win. And they usually don't in the NFL. Not that that keeps people from watching, so thethe's suggestion is wrong.

The reason there is less parity with a better system in the NFL because so much is predicated on having a great qb.
 
The time players get to free agency thiugh are in the years of diminishing returns so I think free agency is a real inefficient use of your money. So if you allow these teams to use their dollar advantage to buy out prime years and price it out of small market teams then they are getting the true advantage. I don't care about the Nats spending big money in max because the contract will look awful halfway through. But a guy like Moncada could be a stud the whole length of his deal.

Exactly!

So why not allow small market teams the right to spend their money as efficiently as possible? What you are doing is increasing the importance of extending your own players which large markets are able to do better than small market teams. The only way to create true parody is a universal cap system on all phases of the game, but then you destroy the incentive to scout thoroughly internationally because teams don't get to keep the pay offs of their good work.
 
But there is no difference to current amateurs in america. People are going to stop playing footall imo in the future. And the money is still better in baseball in the long run than any other sportm

But the long term trend suggests that it is baseball and not football that is losing in the amateur game with basketball and soccer being the biggest winners.

Subject the world to an international draft and the pool of amateur talent will shrink.
 
Exactly!

So why not allow small market teams the right to spend their money as efficiently as possible? What you are doing is increasing the importance of extending your own players which large markets are able to do better than small market teams. The only way to create true parody is a universal cap system on all phases of the game, but then you destroy the incentive to scout thoroughly internationally because teams don't get to keep the pay offs of their good work.

Scouting will still be important because you have to target the guys that you believe will develop. I see your point but big market teams can always outbid a small market if they want.
 
Scouting will still be important because you have to target the guys that you believe will develop. I see your point but big market teams can always outbid a small market if they want.

That's true but you can't fix that "problem" by fixing the leaks in the pipe. If you want to resolve that issue than you have to create a revenue sharing system that shares all revenue equally and then create hard caps for everything. Otherwise you will just be shifting your problems around and creating new issues.
 
Isn't part of the reason Japanese players have to get big signing fees is because they all already play in a national professional league? And same for most Cuban players?

I view those as transfer fees in the same way Soccer does theirs.

South American players, they don't really play in organized leagues at 16 or 17, they just tryout for scouts or nowadays teams like the Cubs have academies down there.

We have organized competition here in the US all the way from the little leagues. So a draft actually is more fair to small market teams now that the slot fees have been introduced.

While I see the argument about small market teams being at a disadvantage to buying a Japanese or Cuban player, at the end of the day every owner could afford said player if they choose. Some are just cheap, and some just want people like Beane to maximize their payroll efficiency.
 
Isn't part of the reason Japanese players have to get big signing fees is because they all already play in a national professional league? And same for most Cuban players?

I view those as transfer fees in the same way Soccer does theirs.

South American players, they don't really play in organized leagues at 16 or 17, they just tryout for scouts or nowadays teams like the Cubs have academies down there.

We have organized competition here in the US all the way from the little leagues. So a draft actually is more fair to small market teams now that the slot fees have been introduced.

While I see the argument about small market teams being at a disadvantage to buying a Japanese or Cuban player, at the end of the day every owner could afford said player if they choose. Some are just cheap, and some just want people like Beane to maximize their payroll efficiency.

Well said.
 
Not so fast ...

Buster Olney
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There is an expectation among some executives that Oakland will take a run at Yoan Moncada -- as they did with Yoenis Cespedes.

Which further accentuates the point ramadon and I have made all along - the question isn't whether the Braves CAN pay the cost to sign Moncada, it's WILL THEY?

If Oakland can pony up that kind of dough, Atlanta obviously can as well.
 
Even better are the bitter Heyward fans screaming about no plan a couple of months into the job.
 
Even better are the bitter Heyward fans screaming about no plan a couple of months into the job.

With each new opportunity, all I see things like "maybe this was their plan all along. Makes sense"

And then each new opportunity passes without us.

I'll eat some crow if we sign Moancada.
 
Signing one player shouldn't make anyone admit they were right or wrong. It al cones down to wins and losses. If the team isn't good towards the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017 then the plan was not implemented well.
 
Signing one player shouldn't make anyone admit they were right or wrong. It al cones down to wins and losses. If the team isn't good towards the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017 then the plan was not implemented well.

The team was made immediately worse by trading away our best players - who all happened to be young - because we were unwilling/unable to pay them. In order to be good again in 2017, we will need to get good players who will require to be paid.

I'll be interested to see how it works out.
 
The good players are hopefully going to come from within. Second base should be improved with Peraza and hopefully Ruiz will be an improvement over CJ. I'm hoping for a push offensively in RF and slight improvements from SSimmons and CB.

I'm really not sure what the plan is for LF but I think someone on the international market could fill that or another position which will allow someone else to move there.

No, these names aren't sexy like Heyward and Upton but we can still win without them.
 
Signing one player shouldn't make anyone admit they were right or wrong. It al cones down to wins and losses. If the team isn't good towards the end of 2016 and the beginning of 2017 then the plan was not implemented well.

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