Okay hack away about tax income

Heywood said:
You're missing the point that dalyn myself and yeezus sort of have made the last 2 pages of this thread.

And the fact you still equivocate money spent after taxes with a progressive income tax system is silly.
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I'm saying if you support the unequal spend of income publicly, why wouldn't you support it privately?

You have not answered this at all. You keep equating to gay marriage. Talk about a bad example...
 
sturg33 said:
That's fine... and for the record, we did subsidize the other two by basically paying for all dinners and shows. But that's more of a kindness thing, not something I principally believe in.

I also agree with you - it should be a set % at the very least... not progressive like it is today.
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Dalyn said:
You really have to look at it like this - By getting a job, you're investing in yourself through the government. Their cut (cause all middle men take cuts) is dependent on your ROI. If you get more back on your investment than your buddy (make more money), their cut is going to reflect that difference.
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In other words, stop looking at it as someone paying more than someone else and start looking at it like those people made a better investment.
 
sturg33 said:
I just wonder what would happen if we started removing some of these safety nets.
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we would become more 3rd world

talked about this with someone in Laos. How he hasn't been able to find a real job at all and goes hungry a lot between the "side jobs" he does get here and there

said he wished he lived in a country that would look out for citizens and help them when times are tough like we do in the USA cause i told him if i was to lose my job i had programs i could use to keep me on my feet till i found a new job
 
goldfly said:
we would become more 3rd world

talked about this with someone in Laos. How he hasn't been able to find a real job at all and goes hungry a lot between the "side jobs" he does get here and there

said he wished he lived in a country that would look out for citizens and help them when times are tough like we do in the USA cause i told him if i was to lose my job i had programs i could use to keep me on my feet till i found a new job
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Yeah, who wouldn't like getting paid without working?
 
J.K. Rowling on why she won't move her money to a tax haven and keeps it in higher taxed GBR.

I chose to remain a domiciled taxpayer for a couple of reasons. The main one was that I wanted my children to grow up where I grew up, to have proper roots in a culture as old and magnificent as Britain’s; (..)
A second reason, however, was that I am indebted to the British welfare state; the very one that Mr Cameron would like to replace with charity handouts. When my life hit rock bottom, that safety net, threadbare though it had become under John Major’s Government, was there to break the fall. I cannot help feeling, therefore, that it would have been contemptible to scarper for the West Indies at the first sniff of a seven-figure royalty cheque. This, if you like, is my notion of patriotism. On the available evidence, I suspect that it is Lord Ashcroft’s idea of being a mug
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i wonder if we would actually be like Europe if World War 2 had actually made it to the lower 48
 
I think it's heartless to legislate an $8/hr worker out of the job market by saying you have to pay all workers at least $10/hr.
 
sturg33 said:
But at the very least, I'd love to make it mandatory that people receiving welfare must do 20 hours of community service per week. I'd wager that the time on unemployment benefits would decrease overall, and the community would at least get some return on their tax money
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This makes the most sense of anything in the discussion, although I don't know that I'd set a specific number of hours across the board. I'd count time spent working towards an education as well. The point is to make sure there is an opportunity cost associated with any government aid, at least for everyone that is able-bodied.
 
It really is a shame that all this attention is paid to the wealthy and the poor when its the middle class that is getting railroaded.
 
thethe said:
It really is a shame that all this attention is paid to the wealthy and the poor when its the middle class that is getting railroaded.
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You have a point, of course. The middle class, especially the lower middle class, keep this country somewhat on a forward trajectory. But no one gets it worse than the poor, especially now that the rungs from poor to lower middle class were snapped off by the banks. The system needs to replace those rungs or the lower middle class will gradually disappear, and it's going to be chaos on slow boil.
 
DirkPiggler said:
This makes the most sense of anything in the discussion, although I don't know that I'd set a specific number of hours across the board. I'd count time spent working towards an education as well. The point is to make sure there is an opportunity cost associated with any government aid, at least for everyone that is able-bodied.
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It would basically create a slave class.
 
thethe said:
It really is a shame that all this attention is paid to the wealthy and the poor when its the middle class that is getting railroaded.
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It's a shame the rich try to shift the focus in the media towards the poor so middle class people are fighting each other and demonizing the poor while the super rich are behind the scenes boning everyone else.
 
Heywood said:
It's a shame the rich try to shift the focus in the media towards the poor so middle class people are fighting each other and demonizing the poor while the super rich are behind the scenes boning everyone else.
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I agree 100%. And then its also a shame that politicians use the plight of the poor to divert the focus away from the middle class and how they are continually being pinched of a reasonable livlihood without working absurd hours.
 
thethe said:
I agree 100%. And then its also a shame that politicians use the plight of the poor to divert the focus away from the middle class and how they are continually being pinched of a reasonable livlihood without working absurd hours.
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Pretty sure you and Heywood are talking about the same people.
 
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