Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Yes, because someone had clear video of the entire incident.
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Yes, because someone had clear video of the entire incident.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
And I did say that the cops that did this should be arrested and charged with 2nd degree murder.
I am still trying to figure out, you are black, the police want to talk to you and you run. Only bad things happen to people when you run, especially if you are black and cops are white.
Where was his common sense? You can't trust the police to not shoot you or rough you up if you don't comply and you are not going to out run them especially when you have ashtma.
So, where was his sanity?
Now because of his decision, we have a lot of lives devastated but no more cocaine being slinged on the streets, because he ran.
Did Gray try to hurt himself? http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?hpid=z1
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
At least is the key word. I'm guessing it's higher.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
I knew there was more to this story. When the truth comes out, this will be interesting and I wonder if our president will do something about it.
Resisting arrest, agressive and intentionally harming yourself? Whoa? And this is another convict that said it.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
totally depends on what is happening etc
Two completely separate situations, imo.
If I get killed by a gang banger because I decide to take a stroll on the wrong side of town, did I bring it upon myself? Of course not. It may not have been a wise decision to put myself in a risky situation like that, but the fault still lies completely with the people that assaulted me.
Freddie Gray still had rights, even while being arrested. Putting any sort of blame on the victim is bad form. Regardless of what he had done, the cops have to obey the law as well.
I'm as far from a liberal as one can be. Typically I side with cops in most of these scenarios. It's a dangerous job. But this was a CLEAR abuse of power.
Not that it excuses rioting. Certainly it doesn't. And it won't help improve the problem.
Your argument is like putting the blame on Janay Rice for instigating Ray Rice into hitting her. Would you say that she "brought it upon herself?"
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
following your logic
don't want riots? don't kill unarmed/in custody american citizens that have rights
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I am at the point where I am rooting for the rioters to **** **** up. The justice system needs to change and asking nicely isnt working. Lawmakers have turned everyone into criminals. This disproportionately impacts the young and poor. The Cops are like predators praying on the poor, trying to send them to jail for as long as possible. Its time we legalized drugs. It didnt work for alcohol so why would it work with any other drug? Take all that money we spend on jailing drug offenders and tax from the sale of drugs to fund healthcare and rehab services. We can all agree that drugs arent a good choice but freedom is not just being allowed to make pre approved "good" choices. For the game of thrones fans "All I ever wanted was the freedom to make my own mistakes". So many of these issues with police are related to drugs. Its not worth ruining peoples lives. If your a poor person getting a drug conviction makes a bad situation worse. If you get a felony your ****ed for life. What do you do at that point? Might as well be a criminal since your going to be treated like one the rest of your life. If we could stop 90+% of drug use by prohibition I might be okay with it, but the fact of the matter is people are doing drugs no matter how stiff the penalties. At some point we need to look at it from a risk vs reward standpoint. I get the feeling that the people who think the only thing keeping people from doing hardcore drugs are the laws making it illegal are the same people who think you have no morals if you dont believe in a God.
I've agreed with this. Can't we treat these as two separate decisions though that are both wrong?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
As separate issues yes, BUT people often use lines like "if he didn't run he would be alive" not a damned person actually knows if that's true or not. And forcing a cop to exercise NEVER gives them permission to beat your ass.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Or you know, the police were beating his ass against the wall. We already know they went above and beyond, maybe they continued to do so. Maybe they offered this prisoner a plea deal to lie.
Here's the key phrase you need to read
"The van driver stopped three times while transporting Gray to a booking center, the first to put him in leg irons. Batts said the officer driving the van described Gray as “irate.” The search warrant application says Gray “continued to be combative in the police wagon.”
The driver made a second stop, five minutes later, and asked an officer to help check on Gray. At that stop, police have said the van driver found Gray on the floor of the van and put him back on the seat, still without restraints. Police said Gray asked for medical help at that point.
The third stop was to put the other prisoner — a 38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van. The van was then driven six blocks to the Western District station. Gray was taken from there to a hospital, where he died April 19."
So he was in the van for all of 6 blocks. And that's Baltimore blocks, not New York bumper to bumper 3 light cycle blocks. To me there's no logical way he could have severed his spinal cord in that short of a time period. It's much more plausible that the cops used too much force.
Again, this is not blaming the victim. Its acknowledging the victim did something wrong here.
sturg33
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All that does is divert attention away from the bigger issue
But would that bigger issue not happen as often? Both need to be addressed but of course disgusting police work is more important to correct.
the less crime = the less funding for police to be on the streets.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
More info is coming out and those protecting his death you better hope that what is being said is not true.
Death is still on the police and they should be punished for NEGLIGENCE of not properly securing him and him running was not the issue, but him in the van was and like all criminals they will rat out their own.
Death is still on the police and they should be punished for NEGLIGENCE of not properly securing him and him running was not the issue, but him in the van was and like all criminals they will rat out their own.