Around Baseball 2015 Edition

Carp said:
Hitting for average is dependent on age now? Wow.

At what point was he ever projected to be a consistent .300 hitter?
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Don't even want to guess what retarded thought process the first sentence is.

The second, I have no idea. Guys that are as talented as him have .300 seasons. Arod hit .358 one season.

I don't know what level he will reach, I do know he's a hell of a hitter and at the very least one of the best in baseball. If you don't believe that, you are just hoping and wishing bc he plays in the same division. Even a large dropoff in the second half still puts Harper as one of the best in baseball. His numbers are so far ahead of everyone right now and doesn't appear to be slowing down.
 
Carp said:
It just that he hasn't done it before. 99 percent of baseball players haven't done it before. Harper hasn't magically transformed himself into .350 hitter. When the average stabilizes (and it will) the rest of his numbers will as well.
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If he hits .280, is he not among the best?
 
For his LD rate Harpers BABIP isn't really flukish high. Sure, you would expect it to go down some but that would still put his average over 300.
 
thethe said:
is there a history of any hitters to do what Harper is doing even over a three month stretch that haven't been HOF hitters?
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Larry Walker was the one player I thought of, and sure enough in 97 was having almost an identical year.
 
Carp said:
Larry Walker was the one player I thought of, and sure enough in 97 was having almost an identical year.
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Imagine if Harper got to play in that park before the humidifier. Holy crap!

And in terms of the rest of the league what Harper is doing this year is far more impressive.
 
gilesfan said:
If he hits .280, is he not among the best?
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Among the best? Sure. If he is hitting 30-40 homers a year or more and getting on base near a .400 clip. He'd definetly be one of the top 5 hitters in the league.

But that wouldn't make him the best hitter in baseball and certainly not the "Lebron James of baseball."
 
What is the difference between best hitter in baseball and lebron james of baseball?
 
Carp said:
Among the best? Sure. If he is hitting 30-40 homers a year or more and getting on base near a .400 clip. He'd definetly be one of the top 5 hitters in the league.

But that wouldn't make him the best hitter in baseball and certainly not the "Lebron James of baseball."
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If we are going to assume regression for all hitters in the same vein as Harper then he would still be by far the best hitter in baseball.
 
thethe said:
Imagine if Harper got to play in that park before the humidifier. Holy crap!

And in terms of the rest of the league what Harper is doing this year is far more impressive.
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So I give you a player having basically the exact same year, and you totally disregard it.

And again, that was the first player I thought of, mostly due to Harpers high average thus far. The point is, it's been done before, even by players who aren't HOFers.

Joey Votto 2010 from May August (4 months even) put up similar numbers (Harpers are still better but they aren't that far off).

Luis Gonzalez circa 2001. First 3 months almost identical.

2006 Ryan Howard, July - Sept.

And this is only 10-15 min worth of baseball reference searching on my phone.
 
thethe said:
If we are going to assume regression for all hitters in the same vein as Harper then he would still be by far the best hitter in baseball.
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Why would you assume regression for guys who have done this before and are currently hitting at levels near career averages. Miggy regularly hits over .300 and competes for batting titles. Same for Trout. When has Harper done that or been projected to do that at any point in his professional career?
 
Carp said:
So I give you a player having basically the exact same year, and you totally disregard it.

And again, that was the first player I thought of, mostly due to Harpers high average thus far. The point is, it's been done before, even by players who aren't HOFers.

Joey Votto 2010 from May August (4 months even) put up similar numbers (Harpers are still better but they aren't that far off).

Luis Gonzalez circa 2001. First 3 months almost identical.

2006 Ryan Howard, July - Sept.

And this is only 10-15 min worth of baseball reference searching on my phone.
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You gave an example of a player that played in what is by far the most friendly ball park to hitters in the history of baseball in an ERA where its very likely that 80% of players were doing some form of PED's. You expect me to take that example as proving me wrong? Would you?

Then you give another example of a clear steroid user (Gonzalez)and think you've proven me wrong?

The fact of the matter is what Harper is doing right now, in a down offensive era mind you, is only done by HOF type players. And he is doing it at 22.
 
Carp said:
Why would you assume regression for guys who have done this before and are currently hitting at levels near career averages. Miggy regularly hits over .300 and competes for batting titles. Same for Trout. When has Harper done that or been projected to do that at any point in his professional career?
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Because just because a guy hits300 in the past doesn't mean they are going to continually repeat it. I like to look at LD%,GB% and BABIP to see how "lucky" a player is to be hitting for that average. I think just looking at their averages in prior years is a small part of the puzzle.
 
thethe said:
Why do you assume that Harper should fit into the 99% of players? I don't believe he should be.
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Because the odds aren't in his favor may be? Are you really asking why I would assume he is not part of the top 1 percent of players in history?
 
Carp said:
Why would you assume regression for guys who have done this before and are currently hitting at levels near career averages. Miggy regularly hits over .300 and competes for batting titles. Same for Trout. When has Harper done that or been projected to do that at any point in his professional career?
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So what was the top prospect in baseball that was graded as an 80 in hitting projected to hit?
 
Carp said:
Because the odds aren't in his favor may be? Are you really asking why I would assume he is not part of the top 1 percent of players in history?
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So far his production relative to his age puts him into the 1%. Even prior to this year.
 
thethe said:
The fact of the matter is what Harper is doing right now, in a down offensive era mind you, is only done by HOF type players. And he is doing it at 22.
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Jack Clark .311 /.459 /.645 1.104 with 26 HRs in the first half of 1987 for the Cards

Albert Belle for the entire shortened season of 1994 .357/.438/.714

Kevin Mitchell .295 /.378 /.692 1.070 with 31 HRs for the first half of 1989

Sixto Lezcano (never even heard of this dude) .316 /.403 /.673 1.076 with 18 HRs in the second half of 1979.

Rocky Covalito .300 /.410 /.685 1.095 with 28 HRs in the second half of 1958

Just a few I saw quickly looking through end of the year OPS leaders from baseball reference that aren't HOF players.
 
auyushu said:
Jack Clark .311 /.459 /.645 1.104 with 26 HRs in the first half of 1987 for the Cards

Albert Belle for the entire shortened season of 1994 .357/.438/.714

Kevin Mitchell .295 /.378 /.692 1.070 with 31 HRs for the first half of 1989

Sixto Lezcano (never even heard of this dude) .316 /.403 /.673 1.076 with 18 HRs in the second half of 1979.

Rocky Covalito .300 /.410 /.685 1.095 with 28 HRs in the second half of 1958

Just a few I saw quickly looking through end of the year OPS leaders from baseball reference that aren't HOF players.
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The ages of them is the big difference here, I bet
 
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