Trade Deadline/Rumors thread

nsacpi said:
Sure there is uncertainty about every player I listed. There is uncertainty about Maybin too. Look at how much his performance has bounced around from year to year. And how often he has missed time due to injury. I also wonder if the dip in his defensive performance this year is a blip or the start of a long-term decline.
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Yes. But I'll take Maybin's uncertainties over the others, at least for the time being. If we truly want to compete in 2016-2017, we can't have a giant hole in CF. We know Maybin can get the job done out there. Even if his defense has declined, with his current offense, he's ok as a fill-in piece in RF. And there are reasons to believe his offensive performance this year isn't a fluke. I'll take the guy who has been, at various times, both an above-average defensive and offensive CF over the guys who haven't done anything yet.

I'm not saying don't trade Maybin; I'm just saying, don't trade him for something just to do it. If we can get a guy for him that we think has a chance to be something good down the road or a decent piece within a year or two, then go ahead. But if all you're going to get is a replacement player or C prospect or worse, then don't do it.
 
I wouldn't trade Maybin or any other player unless I thought we were getting a good return. I am saying we should allow for some regression and likely loss of playing time due to injury when valuing him.
 
nsacpi said:
Maybin is a good sell high candidate. Between Peraza, Smith, Eury Perez, Mycal Jones, Lipka, Lien and Cunningham, we have CF covered both long-term and near-term.
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Really?

Just quickly since I don't have time to present much, which of those players projects to be even as good as Maybin? Our current options to replace him in order...

Peraza - doesn't have the pop.

Smith - doesn't have the pop and still has to prove he can hit at Gwinnett.

Perez - I love him, but he's not a starter (in any of the three spots) for a contender.

Cunningham - we definitely know he's not a starter.

Jones - when you rank fifth on this list, that tells me all I need to know.

Lipka and Lien - lots of holes and a long way to go to prove anything IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I'm as excited as everyone else is about Peraza and Smith. That said, you don't "sell high" on a player having a breakout season that's just beginning to touch the levels many saw him getting to. If he reaches his ceiling, he could make multiple All-Star teams in the next 5 years. He's under control for 2 more years and would sign an extension to stay here the second you put a contract in front of him.

I'm not against trading him, but the return HAS TO be significant - say at least a Catcher who's already been successful at the AA level and would crack our Top 10 list. Trading him because you want to "sell high" is extremely shortsighted IMO.
 
nsacpi said:
Sure there is uncertainty about every player I listed. There is uncertainty about Maybin too. Look at how much his performance has bounced around from year to year. And how often he has missed time due to injury. I also wonder if the dip in his defensive performance this year is a blip or the start of a long-term decline.
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There absolutely is. However, until any of the other potential options shows he has even close to Cam's ceiling I'd think it's prudent to hang onto him unless you plan to go after Carlos Gomez (at twice the dollars) following next season in the event Peraza or Smith don't answer all the questions about them in 2016, you're asking for potential trouble IMO.
 
clvclv said:
I'm not against trading him, but the return HAS TO be significant - say at least a Catcher who's already been successful at the AA level and would crack our Top 10 list. Trading him because you want to "sell high" is extremely shortsighted IMO.
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I think this is the key. I like Maybin, I believe he is a good player. His love for the Braves makes him all the more endearing to me.Trading him for the sake of just trading him is ridiculous. If we get a guy for him at a position of need that comfortably cracks our top 10 it's something to definitely consider. Getting in our top ten this year is much more impressive than in years past, so someone breaking out top ten would be considered a legit prospect.
 
Who has suggested trading Maybin, or anyone for that matter, just to trade them? If someone like JJ only brings back a guy that wouldn't crack the Braves top 25 list, then why even bother?

If Maybin plus AJ plus JJ can bring back a player like Susac (legit starter potential at a position of need), Hart has to pull the trigger. If Maybin gets traded for some other team's version of Matt Lipka I will be severely disappointed, but I'm very confident that won't happen.

The best bet is probably to package several of these veterans together to get one strong prospect in return from a contender.
 
My initial response was to Horsehide Harry, who seemed to be indicating that we should trade all the guys he listed for whatever we can get. I certainly agree with that in regard to the guys who won't be here beyond this year, but Maybin doesn't fit into that same category.

I see our players in the following categories:

1. Definitely trade, may get something decent in return:
Kelly Johnson
Pierzynski
Jim Johnson
Uribe

2. Definitely try to trade, may not be able to move, or may have to give up more to get it done:
Chris Johnson
Gomes

3. Be actively shopping while realizing that it may make more sense to hang onto them:
Maybin
Peraza
Folty
(Grilli did fall here but he'll obviously be back now)

4. Be open to offers, have to be blown away:
Wood
Teheran
Miller
Basically anybody else in the organization outside of Freeman, Simmons, or the rest of the top 10 prospects.
 
From Jon Heyman's latest article . . .

Atlanta was smart to start its sale months ahead of time, as it received quite a haul for Craig Kimbrel, Jason Heyward and Justin Upton. Now it has more bits and pieces to sell. Juan Uribe is on the block, and he's been offered for a mid-range prospect so long as the acquiring team pays the $3 million or so remaining (or better prospect if the Braves chip in dough). They've talked to the Mets. The Pirates, Nationals or his old Giants team could also make sense, though he'd have to be a role player in San Francisco this time.
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http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer...argets-and-more-mlb-trade-buzz-via-jon-heyman
 
Mets would be smart to pick up Uribe for the stretch run. They have a bunch of interesting prospects.
 
It seems like there is definitely a market for Jim Johnson and Uribe. Not sure if we'll have a viable suitor for AJ, KJ, or Gomes. I'd be surprised if all 3 of those guys are traded.
 
dak said:
It seems like there is definitely a market for Jim Johnson and Uribe. Not sure if we'll have a viable suitor for AJ, KJ, or Gomes. I'd be surprised if all 3 of those guys are traded.
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I think someone would be smart to pick up AJ. That cat can hit.

Gomes doesn't have a lot of value IMO and I think hte Braves would be wise to just hang on to Kelly and start working on a modest 3 year extension.
 
thethe said:
I think someone would be smart to pick up AJ. That cat can hit.
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Yeah, AJ figures to have the most value of the 3. He might be the only one that would not pass through waivers. You wonder if some teams would worry that his "strong personality" would be a risk to their clubhouse culture though.
 
thethe said:
I think someone would be smart to pick up AJ. That cat can hit.

Gomes doesn't have a lot of value IMO and I think hte Braves would be wise to just hang on to Kelly and start working on a modest 3 year extension.
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I mean, AJ isn't a terrible hitter, but he's not someone that you would say "that cat can hit." More like he can hit decent for a catcher and has hit well over 250 PA.

Here is his last 10 years from 2015 back (wRC+):

105
72
90
119
92
80
92
85
81
93
 
Wonder if we have enough to pry Wheeler away from the Mets.

I think anyone with a pulse that can bring something should be traded. I'd trade Maybin in a sell high move. Uribe, KJ, he lives in Atlanta, could probably bring him back next year even if traded, AJ, CJ and JJ may more value than we realize. Grilli getting hurt cost him and Braves badly.

Keep hearing/reading that the Braves might be a match. I hope we don't bite on Castro.

Need to add as many spects as possible while clearing payroll. Need to seriously pursue ZG or DP this winter.
 
gilesfan said:
I mean, AJ isn't a terrible hitter, but he's not someone that you would say "that cat can hit." More like he can hit decent for a catcher and has hit well over 250 PA.

Here is his last 10 years from 2015 back (wRC+):

105
72
90
119
92
80
92
85
81
93
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So 4 out of the last 5 years AJ has been a decent hitting catcher is what you are saying? Thats valuable for a team I would think.
 
thethe said:
So 4 out of the last 5 years AJ has been a decent hitting catcher is what you are saying? Thats valuable for a team I would think.
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Yeah, he's an ok hitter...for a catcher. Probably not someone you want to start unless you are in dire straits.
 
Enscheff said:
Who has suggested trading Maybin, or anyone for that matter, just to trade them? If someone like JJ only brings back a guy that wouldn't crack the Braves top 25 list, then why even bother?

If Maybin plus AJ plus JJ can bring back a player like Susac (legit starter potential at a position of need), Hart has to pull the trigger. If Maybin gets traded for some other team's version of Matt Lipka I will be severely disappointed, but I'm very confident that won't happen.

The best bet is probably to package several of these veterans together to get one strong prospect in return from a contender.
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I realize several folks around here are high on Susac but I just don't see it personally and that's an absolute overpay IMO. I'll always grant the SSS point, but the guy has hit .255/.317/.435/.752 in his limited ABs at the MLB level. I'm not saying he doesn't look like he'd be a good option for us at all, but to give up three of the most marketable pieces Hart's got he'd have to be a "slam-dunk" - and I don't know that anybody believes he is. He'd solve so many of San Francisco's problems without having to trade anyone away if that were the case - move Belt back to the OF, move Posey to 1B to lengthen his career, and plug Susac in.

If the Giants would trade Susac for Cam straight-up, I could see it, but not all three of those guys.
 
Uribe news is encouraging. Imagine we if we turned Callaspo on a 1 year deal into the production we had from Uribe, the pitcher we got from the dodgers, and a mid range prospect. That is GM ninja stuff.

I heard Klaw on a radio show in Detroit talking about the deadline. He said a lot of teams need bats but do not have any money. Bats are scarce and money is scarce.

If we would pay 100% of the year on Uribe, KJ, and AJ then maybe we can get someone we have no business getting.
 
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