Uribe and KJ to NYM
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jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Personally, I don't think there was "somewhat of a legitimate chance" of contention for this team, and I took yesterday's trade as a sign the Braves' brass shares that opinion. I think Hart et al believe—rightly so, to my mind—that the Braves' position in the standings (which isn't exactly great to begin with) was more mirage than true measure of the team's ability to compete.
In that light, it both doesn't matter to whom Uribe and Johnson were sent, and means any return is better than no return. Personally, I was hoping that the prospects coming back would be more Powerball than scratch-off, but you take the best you can get—and at least these two seem like decent-odds scratch-offs.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Eh, it's unlikely NYM make the playoffs.
KJ and Uribe are good role guys, and both deals expire at seasons end.
I do feel they could have got more if they waited a little longer though but whats done is done.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I can't tell of your being sarcastic like I was.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Nah he's being serious unfortunately.
striker42
Well-known member
What's unfortunate? I don't like the trade. I didn't expect to get much back but I certainly wouldn't have traded Uribe and KJ for two roster fillers. I see us trading a little bit of value and getting nothing of value back.
If this was the best possible trade I see no point in trading them. We gained nothing in this deal.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
You dont understand what rebuilding teams due.
It's a move that had to be done, the armchair GM's like you and others obviously could have gotten more back for them, my bad.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
As opposed to enjoying two more months of their services?
Shoot, I really like KJ. I am sorry to see him go. But what is the utility of two more months of KJ?
For the love of everything holy, would everyone please read either this thread or MLBTR (or any one of a couple dozen other stories about the trade) before asking the same question that's been asked 20+ times in this thread???
KJ and Uribe were owed $3.1 million for the rest of the season. Hart agreed to send the Mutts $400,000 of that meaning we saved $2.7 million by making the trade.
Fixed.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I hope they bench Uribe regularly where he has no reason to re-sign there. I want him back here next year though I figure that is unlikely now.
striker42
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Very little utility but there is some there. Having guys like KJ and Uribe on the team does have positive benefits for the future. They were picked up for a reason in the first place. Freeman needs to learn leadership. Jace needs to learn how to make adjustments. If we call up Peraza this September he'll benefit from having a guy like Uribe around.
Admittedly this is not that much use which is why you shop guys like KJ and Uribe. I'm all for trading them if you're offered a package that is worth more than the benefits you'll get from them over the final two months of the season.
As small a deal as two months of leadership from KJ and Uribe is, it's still worth more to this organization than the two arms we picked up.
I'm not overvaluing KJ and Uribe or somehow thinking we should try to win games. I just don't like either of the pitchers we got back. I don't think they provide any value at all.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I am more annoyed about trading Uribe as by doing so we are less likely to bring him back next year. But it also seems they never were that high on bringing back Uribe anyway. Which I find stupid if true, just as I find them refusing to make Markakis available in a trade even more stupid (surprisingly they have been asked about trading Markakis and won't even listen on him).
PS: I would be more okay about trading Uribe with KJ if I liked the prospects we got back. But I am not sold on them either so I can see where striker is coming from there.
so interesting numbers for payroll
current "active" players contracts total $49.09M (includes Freddie being activated)
DL list players contracts total $19.34m (includes 11.2M for Arroyo and Minor)
Dead list (player being paid to not play $30.91M (includes final years for Uggla, Cahill and Quentin)
current "active" players contracts total $49.09M (includes Freddie being activated)
DL list players contracts total $19.34m (includes 11.2M for Arroyo and Minor)
Dead list (player being paid to not play $30.91M (includes final years for Uggla, Cahill and Quentin)
In terms of veteran leadership, those 2 are easily replaceable. This was a minor trade. Accept that fact. Those of you, who are acting as if there could've been more to gain from these (short term) assets, are living in a fantasy world. This was the best they were going to get, because the Mets had a need at 3rd. When there's an even more legitimate need for tutelage from experienced players, they'll bring in other options than what was pieced together between Nov. '14 and Mar. of this year.
Runnin
Well-known member
This is the weakest argument you could make against the trade. There's still plenty of veteran leadership on the team. Uribe is a positive clubhouse presence by all accounts and KJ is a quiet guy who goes about his business. A.J. and Gomes probably have way more value in that regard.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Nah, AJ is still an asshole and no true leader despite the spin. Gomes is a leader with the track record to back it up, but so is Uribe in a different way. KJ is also a great team player too.
striker42
Well-known member
I freely admit they had very limited value to the Braves for the rest of the season. My point is the guys we got have virtually no value at all.
The arguments people make for this trade are arguments for trading KJ and Uribe in general. I agree, trading them makes sense. They should have been shopped. Arguing that they should be traded does not support this as being a good trade.
I just don't get why we accepted two fringey starter prospects. I still think we could have gotten an okay relief prospect (bigger need) who would actually have a better chance of one day providing some value.
I'm not asking for a top 10 prospect. I don't care if the prospect isn't ranked. I just want someone with some kind of value. I don't see any value at all in what we got.
There's plenty of reason to make a trade. There's no reason to make this trade.