Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

You could have just spent a little extra money and signed Olivera a few months ago. Now we give Alex Wood, Peraza, Jim Johnson, Avilan to just get him slightly cheaper? This is absolutely HORRIBLE. I love getting Olivera but this is insane how much we're paying.
 
Hawk said:
Yeah, I actually really like the premise of Olivera as a cheap 3B option for the considerable future. Leaves a lot of room to spend. But, at a great cost in proven talent.

My worry is that Hector is more on the brittle side.
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And thats the point that I mentioned. If it works out, yes big if, then the Braves are going to have two legit bats in the middle of their order with a bunch of cheap cost controlled starting pitching. That will let them be very creative on how to build the team. Maybe they buy some more top prospects in the next two years. Who knows, but they will have options. The Braves organization believes in Olivera. They wanted him badly in the offseason and now have him for cheaper costs for a pitcher they probably wanted to trade since Hart came on board.
 
thethe said:
Sure, if that is how the deal turns out then its a big ball of crap. But if Olivera is a legit impact bat and Wood has his second Tommy John surgery then we will look back on this deal and praise Hart for his foresight.
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wrong.

you cannot judge trades that way. You look at value at the time. You do not know what will happen. The Braves could pick the next Mike Trout with that stupid comp pick.

But 3 years of Wood is maybe ok for Olivera. I'd rather say 3 years of Alex Wood is worth 30 million (extra money Dodgers offered over us).

So for a time machine I'd rather offer Olivera 63 million and keep Alex Wood.
 
Hawk said:
Yeah, I actually really like the premise of Olivera as a cheap 3B option for the considerable future. Leaves a lot of room to spend. But, at a great cost in proven talent.

My worry is that Hector is more on the brittle side.
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Meh, too early for that for me.

I'm not sure what's true at this point on this deal.
 
thethe said:
Its really annoying that I keep getting singled out. So what, I typically will always like the moves that are made.

I would have loved to see Peraza up but this was the chance to get someone that could be an impact bat. That is what everyone has wanted and yet everyone is upset.

Pitching is so supposed to be devalued now and everyone seemingly expects to get a kings ransom for Wood when many in the industry worry about his mechanics.
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If the Braves wanted him so bad then why didn't they just sign him and not have it cost them any talent? If the Dodgers are taking on the entire signing bonus then that means the Braves essentially traded 3 years of Wood and 6 years of Peraza for around 30 million or so. That's bad.
 
Hopefully it's due to Hart holding out for better return.

In reality, it's probably due to the Dodgers insisting on giving up less for having to take on Avilan.
 
thewupk said:
If the Braves wanted him so bad then why didn't they just sign him and not have it cost them any talent? If the Dodgers are taking on the entire signing bonus then that means the Braves essentially traded 3 years of Wood and 6 years of Peraza for around 30 million or so. That's bad.
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No, that is not a way of looking at the deal. Braves traded for a player. Just because they missed out on the player originally doesn't mean you can play with semantics here.
 
Russ2dollas said:
wrong.

you cannot judge trades that way. You look at value at the time. You do not know what will happen. The Braves could pick the next Mike Trout with that stupid comp pick.

But 3 years of Wood is maybe ok for Olivera. I'd rather say 3 years of Alex Wood is worth 30 million (extra money Dodgers offered over us).

So for a time machine I'd rather offer Olivera 63 million and keep Alex Wood.
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Exactly this. Why are we going to take on money to add picks and prospects, only to turn around and give up good major league talent and a good prospect to save money? It makes no sense.
 
Bird seems like he has a lot of development left and folks see a pitcher where the finished product will be a lot better than what he is now.
 
The problem with this trade is, it makes no ****ing sense. It flies in the face of everything Hart and company has done, why trade 2 of your best chips for a 31 year old that isn't proven??? It's not like we just trade these guys for Donaldson or Arenado or some proven MLB 3b.

It makes no ****ing sense
 
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