Farewell to Wood, Peraza, Jimmy Johns, and Avilans.

Chris Cotillo
@ChrisCotillo
Source: Mike Morse not yet told where he's going in 3-teamer. Some reports say LAD, some say ATL.
 
Preacher said:
And yet it appears our FO, which I think is a pretty good one, is willing to take that bet. Look, I don't love the deal at all, so I'm not trying to sell it.

But I do think Hart is a good GM so I'm more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt knowing that he knows FAR MORE about all of these players involved than we do.
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I view every trade as its own entity. I like just about everything Hart has done so far, and I judged those on their merits, so I'll do the same for this one.

I don't say, 'Well, I like Hart, so somehow this deal must be good.' I say, 'I like Hart, so why the heck did he make this bad deal?'
 
I feel like the longer this drags on, other teams interest in Alex services could be piqued. Maybe Toronto or someone swoops in with a better offer.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I think we should be in power. Selling only if we feel we get true difference makers. I cannot rationalize the trade. If we give up all of those assets, IMO we need a minimum of two long term solutions at position players. Even if we had a wink wink with Price to sign with us (which we all no we can't and DON'T). Even if a guy like Price was coming and free, it doesn't mean you give away Alex Wood for 50 cents on the dollar.
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Yes, and why make this deal now? Wood would still have plenty of value this offseason, and the Dodgers would still be willing to get him. And that way we could at least get a better look at Olivera and see what happens to him. We're giving up very good assets for a huge risk as it stands now...as a rebuilding team at the deadline. Usually those teams get the good assets and give up the risks.
 
Jay212033 said:
Plus his entire career he's walked more than he's K'd
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I was curious about his stats so I pulled up his team. Apparently, he hit well in Cuba, but several guys on his team walked more than they struck out. hell, Alfredo Despaigne (now in Japan) hit .311/.474/.553 in 2013 (last full season for Olivera) with 55 walks and 26 strikeouts. As a comparison, Olivera hit .316/.412/.474 with 38 walks and 25 strike outs.

Im trying to find some translation for Cuban stats to MLB. Jose Abrue hit .453/.597/.986 in 2011 while Cespedes (age 25) hit .333/.424/.667. Despaigne (age 25) hit .356/.439/.693. Hector hit .341/.462/.626
 
Where does this rank in all time worst trades in Atlanta history? This has to be in the top 5 for sure. Hart is definitely putting his mark on this team.
 
gilesfan said:
I was curious about his stats so I pulled up his team. Apparently, he hit well in Cuba, but several guys on his team walked more than they struck out. hell, Alfredo Despaigne (now in Japan) hit .311/.474/.553 in 2013 (last full season for Olivera) with 55 walks and 26 strikeouts. As a comparison, Olivera hit .316/.412/.474 with 38 walks and 25 strike outs.

Im trying to find some translation for Cuban stats to MLB. Jose Abrue hit .453/.597/.986 in 2011 while Cespedes (age 25) hit .333/.424/.667. Despaigne (age 25) hit .356/.439/.693. Hector hit .341/.462/.626
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There's a popular translation tool that I posted in the old Olivera thread. If memory serves, it showed Olivera OPSing in the high 700s (790 seems to stick in my mind, but don't trust my memory) for 2015 MLB projections. That would make him the second best hitter on the team (not saying much) at a position where it's tough to find offense these days.

Durability and decline are big worries for me on Olivera. His ability to produce offensively when healthy . . . not a huge worry. For me, anyway.
 
gilesfan said:
I was curious about his stats so I pulled up his team. Apparently, he hit well in Cuba, but several guys on his team walked more than they struck out. hell, Alfredo Despaigne (now in Japan) hit .311/.474/.553 in 2013 (last full season for Olivera) with 55 walks and 26 strikeouts. As a comparison, Olivera hit .316/.412/.474 with 38 walks and 25 strike outs.

Im trying to find some translation for Cuban stats to MLB. Jose Abrue hit .453/.597/.986 in 2011 while Cespedes (age 25) hit .333/.424/.667. Despaigne (age 25) hit .356/.439/.693. Hector hit .341/.462/.626
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Cespedes is a pretty good comp. Similar batting average, similar walk rate, slightly more K's (still about even with his BB's), and more pop. So based on that, if healthy, you're talking about something like .270/.320/.450 as an optimistic view of Olivera? Sign me up! Give up Wood for that!
 
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