Hector Olivera signs with the Dodgers

Heyward said:
We dont need pitching, and we arent getting JUp or Heyward.

Probably trade some assets for a bat is a better bet.

Or sign someone like Fowler.
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I've never heard a more incorrect statement when it comes to baseball. Period.

EVERYBODY ALWAYS needs pitching.
 
clvclv said:
I'd prefer to see Olivera play at this level of competition before I'd commit to that. I still remember Brad Komminsk.

The point still remains - if he's not performing well enough for the Dodgers to want him on their roster at $6 million per, he won't be very easy to trade either. Now that the news about his partial UCL tear becoming public, you'd also be talking about trying to trade underperforming AND damaged goods.
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If injured that certainly changes things, but that is true with any player of course. We've seen that already with Mike Minor, we just have to hope Minor comes back okay and can build back up strong trade value where we can trade him (and sell high rather than low) at some point. And Lord knows we could use someone good to trade to improve our offense.
 
Can someone change the thread title now? Maybe something like 'Hector Olivera (with slightly torn UCL and never played a MLB game yet) - One ridiculous offer on the table by the Dodgers who MLB allows to spend like they're using Monopoly money'
 
It's pretty apparant why the Braves were interested in this guy after the news today. I'm guessing the uncertainty whether or not he actually needs Tommy John was the breaking point and prevented us from going all in.
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
It's pretty apparant why the Braves were interested in this guy after the news today. I'm guessing the uncertainty whether or not he actually needs Tommy John was the breaking point and prevented us from going all in.
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When the **** has Tommy John ever stopped us before? We've got a pitching coach devoted to coaching pitchers after Tommy John. Literally, that's all he does, that's his job. If our 2B had a torn UCL, would we even notice?
 
GovClintonTyree said:
When the **** has Tommy John ever stopped us before? We've got a pitching coach devoted to coaching pitchers after Tommy John. Literally, that's all he does, that's his job. If our 2B had a torn UCL, would we even notice?
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Pretty sure he was saying that the Braves only wanted him if he was definitely having the surgery.
 
Yes, that's right. Tommy John only happens to Braves. We must take to message boards and social media to express our outrage!
 
clvclv said:
I've never heard a more incorrect statement when it comes to baseball. Period.

EVERYBODY ALWAYS needs pitching.
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Starting pitching, if we were gonna spend on something, i'd get a bat over a pitcher.
 
Knucksie said:
Yes, that's right. Tommy John only happens to Braves. We must take to message boards and social media to express our outrage!
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That's also not the point. It was a joke about the Braves targeting people who just had it or needed it.
 
If you type "Tommy John" into google image and scroll down far enough...

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clvclv said:
I'd prefer to see Olivera play at this level of competition before I'd commit to that. I still remember Brad Komminsk.

The point still remains - if he's not performing well enough for the Dodgers to want him on their roster at $6 million per, he won't be very easy to trade either. Now that the news about his partial UCL tear becoming public, you'd also be talking about trying to trade underperforming AND damaged goods.
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:Alone:
 
This thread has got it all. The never-say-die spirit of those who insisted that we were going to sign Moncada, the disquisitions on how the game has changed now that hitting for power isn't a thing anymore, some weird burbling about how the Braves replaced Heyward and Gattis with superior players. Plus, bonus:

VirginiaBrave said:
The mindset needs to change around here. We are not going to lose 100 games this year. From what I have seen .500 is not out of reach. We get a couple breaks, ie staying healthy above expectation and playoffs are not completely the table. 83-87 wins will be a good target.
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Julio3000 said:
This thread has got it all. The never-say-die spirit of those who insisted that we were going to sign Moncada, the disquisitions on how the game has changed now that hitting for power isn't a thing anymore, some weird burbling about how the Braves replaced Heyward and Gattis with superior players. Plus, bonus:
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Well now let see....Freeman missed a month now didn't he? Add to that that JT has not been the 15-game winner he looked like he was the past couple years. Freeman doesn't miss a month, Julio pitches to expectation, we hold on to Uribe and KJ and we are still right there. Forget it you're not worth arguing with. You and the Professor just want me gone anyway basically for no other reason than I nailed last year in May and then I hated on Heyward and the Uptons so much.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
Well now let see....Freeman missed a month now didn't he? Add to that that JT has not been the 15-game winner he looked like he was the past couple years. Freeman doesn't miss a month, Julio pitches to expectation, we hold on to Uribe and KJ and we are still right there. Forget it you're not worth arguing with. You and the Professor just want me gone anyway basically for no other reason than I nailed last year in May and then I hated on Heyward and the Uptons so much.
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No. We. Aren't.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
Well now let see....Freeman missed a month now didn't he? Add to that that JT has not been the 15-game winner he looked like he was the past couple years. Freeman doesn't miss a month, Julio pitches to expectation, we hold on to Uribe and KJ and we are still right there. Forget it you're not worth arguing with. You and the Professor just want me gone anyway basically for no other reason than I nailed last year in May and then I hated on Heyward and the Uptons so much.
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Well the point is we didn't have the talent to absorb Freeman missing any time. If you can into a season and expect everyone to stay healthy all year, you're gonna have a bad time

Even still - we were below 500 with Freeman in the lineup... something like 6 games under for the year
 
sturg33 said:
Well the point is we didn't have the talent to absorb Freeman missing any time. If you can into a season and expect everyone to stay healthy all year, you're gonna have a bad time

Even still - we were below 500 with Freeman in the lineup... something like 6 games under for the year
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JT pitching to expectation would be 3 or 4 more wins, don't you think? Along with a healthy Freeman that would puts us right at .500. I mean the day Freddie got hurt we were what? A game and a half out after beating the Mets?
 
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