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Hey! There's no evidence to that I can't hit ML pitching either.
Olivera
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Hey! There's no evidence to that I can't hit ML pitching either.
Why not? Especially those that are influenced by a BABIP in the 390 range with an ISO under 200. Must be a stud.
I think the appropriate approach is to wait and see. But there is nothing Olivera has ever done to suggest he is going to be a middle or the order hitter.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Someone was kind enough to explain to me that the PCL does not overstate the offensive numbers of players like Jace Peterson. Maybe the same reasoning holds for Olivera.
It doesn't appear that MLB-ready talent we gave up was much of a loss.
Peraza's proven he can't hit major league pitching since we've actually got "evidence" - he's 1-6 after all. Wood's ERA is still above 4 and he's not striking anybody out since he's relocated to Chavez Ravine.
Looks like a wash, no?
Absolutely no reason for anyone to respond to this - just pointing out that BOTH sides are getting their panties in a wad for NO REASON. How about waiting just a little bit before declaring ANY trade a win or loss for either side? If you don't understand the reasoning behind this idea, jump in the way back machine and remember that John Smoltz went 2-8 with a 5.78 ERA and 1.67 WHIP in his first 12 starts in Atlanta while Doyle Alexander went 9-0 with a 1.53 ERA and 1.01 WHIP in his first 11 starts in Detroit.
Peraza's proven he can't hit major league pitching since we've actually got "evidence" - he's 1-6 after all. Wood's ERA is still above 4 and he's not striking anybody out since he's relocated to Chavez Ravine.
Looks like a wash, no?
Absolutely no reason for anyone to respond to this - just pointing out that BOTH sides are getting their panties in a wad for NO REASON. How about waiting just a little bit before declaring ANY trade a win or loss for either side? If you don't understand the reasoning behind this idea, jump in the way back machine and remember that John Smoltz went 2-8 with a 5.78 ERA and 1.67 WHIP in his first 12 starts in Atlanta while Doyle Alexander went 9-0 with a 1.53 ERA and 1.01 WHIP in his first 11 starts in Detroit.
Its certainly concerning that a 30 year old isn't ready for the majors, but is considered a future stable in the lineup.
Do what?
Difference is Peraza and Wood have youth and father time on their side. Smoltz had Bobby's patience and youth as well.
Olivera is 30. Most players start leaving their peaks/primes at 30.
And Alex Wood has trended downward each year since his Rookie season now that people have seen that funky delivery. Now that hitters have seen him and the book has begun to develop, he's increasingly easier to hit, his walk rate is increasing since they're laying off the breaking stuff. Yada, yada, yada.
I don't know why people use pre conceived notions to stat something as a fact. Wood is getting swings on his curve higher than he has in his career.
Furthermore, he's getting more swings out of the zone than he ever has.
So you're telling me a young controllable left handed pitcher who hasn't even hit his prime yet, is not worth taking a risk or giving time to versus a 30 year old unproven talent who's never hit in the major leagues? Not to mention more people on here are saying he looks like he should be playing 2B not 3B? And possibly a more shoddy injury potential?
Wood had TJ but he's been reliable and durable ever since even with that delivery.
This is where the exaggeration has been passed on so much it's now becoming truth. He should not be playing 2B. Not sure what that came from, and his injury history has been blown out of proportion.
striker42
Well-known member
Agreed that he shouldn't be at second. The Dodgers were convinced he couldn't play second. I think people wanting to see him at second comes from concerns about his arm. He's too big and not quick enough for second anymore.
There's no real backup plan if he fails at third. I guess we'd stick him in left but that's not really an attractive alternative.
There was a guy on here insisting he was a 2B. I was skeptical from seeing his size/scouting videos but figured the guy knew what he was talking about. He does not look like a 2B to me.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
If he can't play second at all then the trade is likely folly. Not so much from the fact that he can't ultimately be passable at 3B or LF, maybe he can. But, his bat would be premium at 2B and likely just average or so at the other positions. If that is the case, then you need above average defense from him at positions that are not natural for the trade to be positive. I think the odds of that are low.
And, I was not and am still not a "you can't trade Wood" guy. I was all for trading Wood assuming a useful return (Peraza as well, no point in hoarding clone infielders when needs are elsewhere). For instance, could Wood and Peraza have brought back what the Brewers got in trade with Houston?
No. What I said is that it's absolutely ridiculous for ANYBODY to call it a good trade or bad trade based on 6 ABs from Peraza, 29 IPs from Wood, or a handful of rehab ABs from Olivera.
Geez - give it a rest already. Some of you would argue that today ain't Friday!!!
Certainly; Wood and Peraza might be the best two players in the deal.
Are we talking about from Houston or from another team?
Im talking about Phillips, Snantan, Houser, and Hader. Phillips being the jewel. I guess you could debate Perza or him, but you wouldn't trade a middle to top of the rotation lefty for a non top 50 prospect.
striker42
Well-known member
You can argue that we overpaid based on the value of the players at the time of the trade but that's about all. There's not nearly enough information to determine who will end up with more value from the deal.
Olivera could play 162 games a season for us for the rest of his contract, hit .320 with 25 HRs, and Wood and Peraza could never play another game and I'll still argue we overpaid. I think the package we gave up was worth more than what we got back.
If you see a Picasso at a yard sale with a price tag on it of $10, do you go up and pay the guy $1,000 for it? No. A thousand bucks is a steal for a Picasso but why pay a thousand bucks when it could be had for ten. I think we paid more than we had to for Olivera considering the risk involved there.