Heyman on Braves' trade chips and Olivera

Braves1976 said:
I'd only trade Teheran if a team overpaid for him at this point. Hope Coppy is smart enough to know how big a value Teheran brings with his contract and track record. I could see a team getting desperate enough to overpay for Teheran in this market. Possibly as big an overpay as with Miller if Coppy is smart and doesn't want to deal him. That will make teams work harder to get him if desperate for starting pitching.
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I agree, I am not opposed to trading teheran, but it better be a "no brainer" type of return for him. Not just fair value
 
jpx7 said:
If by "lately" you mean "in his previous start", then yes: he's been terrible "lately". Otherwise, his 2016 had been a slight improvement on his 2015, when looking at the metrics, and his 2015 wasn't terrible either. Honestly, given the small sample this year, I'd be more concerned that he was merely decent last year, considering the park that was his home and the home-park to which he's moving. Nevertheless, on the balance, he's hardly been "terrible," purely in terms of production.

The contract is another matter entirely—but it doesn't look half-bad, for the White Sox, considering they're only paying half of it. If he can maintain his 2015-16 FIP with Chicago, he'll be an alright value for the South Siders—particularly given that he throws a lot of innings and they're somewhat desperate to avoid overexposing their bullpen. I would've thought that—in light of all those details—Shields merited a bit more than a 26-year-old RHP non-entity and a 17-year-old who's never played an inning of professional baseball (though it seems, given comments following his last and final start for San Diego, that Padres ownership was pretty desperate to have Shields gone, value-be-damned).

Which is why I noted that—contrary to some previous suggestions—I don't think this Shields deal will really be relevant at all to Teheran's market. Indeed, Shield's situation with San Diego is so radically different that I don't really think we can look at this deal and gauge anything about Teheran's potential value.
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I do because Shields was pretty much the second best SP that was rumored to be up for trade. That puts pressure on contending teams who need SP to make a splash and Teheran's really the only difference maker out there now, unless the Marlins decide to unload Fernandez this time around.
 
dak said:
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If the Tre John is basing evaluations/decisions regarding Teheran on a fifteen-inning sample against the AL East, ... oof ...

Hopefully Gammons is only implying that those numbers are something AL East teams will consider when trying to negotiate with the Braves.
 
bravos4evr said:
I would beat a team of Bautistas with a team of Heywards, and it really wouldn't be that close. I expect the Heywards would win the division by double digits. It is dishonest argument to focus only on offense and hand wave away the defense and baserunning as it is EQUALLY as likely that WAR UNDERRATES defense as it could overvalue it.
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Heh. Just last week, I had a guy arguing with me - vociferously - that WAR is WAR, and we can just line 'em up and count 'em. No need to even play the games.

Remember that?
 
jpx7 said:
If the Tre John is basing evaluations/decisions regarding Teheran on a fifteen-inning sample against the AL East, ... oof ...

Hopefully Gammons is only implying that those numbers are something AL East teams will consider when trying to negotiate with the Braves.
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Gammons hasn't been right about anything Braves related in quite some time. I wouldn't breath too much into it.
 
The Red Sox and Braves would match up well in a potential trade involving right-hander Julio Teheran, per Cafardo, who notes that Boston’s package would have to be headlined by outfield prospect Andrew Benintendi, infield prospect Yoan Moncada, third baseman Travis Shaw or catcher/left fielder Blake Swihart. Of that group, the Red Sox would prefer to give up Swihart, though Cafardo doubts he alone would be enough of a return for Teheran.
Before the Padres traded righty James Shields to the White Sox on Saturday
 
Perfect Cell said:
The Red Sox and Braves would match up well in a potential trade involving right-hander Julio Teheran, per Cafardo, who notes that Boston’s package would have to be headlined by outfield prospect Andrew Benintendi, infield prospect Yoan Moncada, third baseman Travis Shaw or catcher/left fielder Blake Swihart. Of that group, the Red Sox would prefer to give up Swihart, though Cafardo doubts he alone would be enough of a return for Teheran.
Before the Padres traded righty James Shields to the White Sox on Saturday
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I would like Benintendi please and thank you
 
Perfect Cell said:
The Red Sox and Braves would match up well in a potential trade involving right-hander Julio Teheran, per Cafardo, who notes that Boston’s package would have to be headlined by outfield prospect Andrew Benintendi, infield prospect Yoan Moncada, third baseman Travis Shaw or catcher/left fielder Blake Swihart. Of that group, the Red Sox would prefer to give up Swihart, though Cafardo doubts he alone would be enough of a return for Teheran.
Before the Padres traded righty James Shields to the White Sox on Saturday
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/rubs chin maniacally
 
Carp said:
Oh, I don't know, may be one who hits more than 20 homers per year, OPSes more than an .800 OPS per year, better than a .350 wOBA per year, etc. We currently have one of those players and are actually paying him less than Heyward.
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Maybe I'm missing your point but if you are suggesting that Freeman should be paid more than Heyward then you are absolutely bat**** crazy.
 
Carp said:
Joey Bats has actually been worth more since 2010 than Heyward. Sure, some of that is due to age difference, but Heyward hasn't exactly progressed any offensively since his rookie season.

I'll take my team of Joey Bats gladly over you're Heyward's. But still you miss the point, which is that a guy like Joey Bats (ignoring age) is a MUCH better fit for a mid market team with a lack offensive talent.
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You aren't getting a 26 year old Joey Bat for anything close to 23 million dollars per year.
 
The SSS AL East numbers are dumb, but I think the Sox might have some concerns about bringing a flyball pitcher like Julio to Fenway.
 
dak said:
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The Braves have actively been trying to move Teheran for a few years, so much so that it makes me doubt the FO ability to sell high on him even in this market. And in order to do so they have to be willing to keep him if the right deal isn't available. But like with Simmons I expect they won't do that and will move him one way or another.
 
IDK how much stock I would put into Gammons, He is close with the Red Sox FO, but his reporting hasn't been very accurate over the last few years. He says a lot of things on twitter tat turn out to be rumor or nowhere close to the truth. I reckon the Braves have said "he is available for a big price" but that's different than "actively trying to move him"
 
bravos4evr said:
IDK how much stock I would put into Gammons, He is close with the Red Sox FO, but his reporting hasn't been very accurate over the last few years. He says a lot of things on twitter tat turn out to be rumor or nowhere close to the truth. I reckon the Braves have said "he is available for a big price" but that's different than "actively trying to move him"
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Oh, I don't put a lot of stock in what he says. I have made the same post as you just did about him in the past (last year for example you'll find posts by me saying the same). But it is pretty well known the Braves have shopped Teheran multiple times over the last few years. The talks with the Cubs being probably the most confirmed but other GM's have been admitting to such talks going back two years now just as Gammons said. And that is what I am going by more, confirmed talks, not so much Gammons stating what I assumed we already knew. Further, I don't think the FO is as high on Teheran as some of us here are and I am not confident his better pitching of late will change that. This is partly why I am expecting us to trade him one way or another. But I hope Coppy and co. play hardball if so and get A LOT back that actually helps the MLB team. I just wouldn't bet on it to be honest because I believe our FO underrates him same as they did Wood. They had velocity issues with Wood too (remember we're all about velocity nowadays, lol).
 
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