DRAFT IN PROGRESS THREAD ... What's past is preamble

msstate7 said:
When I look at everyone's top 25 brave prospects, I never see dykstra. What's the knock on him? He seems to be a good hitter... .329/.365/.391.
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Hard to say. He's been pretty much batting average-driven on the offensive side of things. Doesn't walk a lot and isn't showing much power. I don't know much about his defense. I always call up Deester on the Rome guys because he's seen them play. Maybe Dykstra develops into a Prado-type and that wouldn't be a bad thing.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
I think we had an okay draft, 3 of the top 25 talents....next year we should be drafting number 1 or 2, I wonder if a guy like Groome doesn't sign with the bosox, goes to college and re-enters the draft next year
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If groome goes to a college other than juco, he won't be eligible next season
 
If Mendoza is signable, I would love for them to take him at 80. Hays, Quinn and Fisher all look like interesting college bats here too.
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
I think we had an okay draft, 3 of the top 25 talents....next year we should be drafting number 1 or 2, I wonder if a guy like Groome doesn't sign with the bosox, goes to college and re-enters the draft next year
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I am curious as well. I think Groome was looking for 5+ and I don't see how the Soxs will get there at 12. Maybe they punt the rest of the draft and get there.. maybe they offer 4 and say take it or leave it. He will be an interesting watch.
 
50PoundHead said:
But it's a quantity of quality. Over 1,200 players will be drafted and we get three who are not only in the top tier, but the top slice of the top tier. I agree it boils down to signing Wentz and Muller, but my guess is they don't draft them if they can't sign them. Perfect Game--the site I trust most in this process--had Anderson as the #4 high school player (ahead of Moniak for what that's worth)

so I think it's unwise to dismiss him.

This isn't basketball where one guy can make a difference.

Don't know where they will go today. I expect a few more bats (the Quinn kid looks like a logical pick but with the little bit most of us know, our logic is easily dismissed). I figure we'll see a college senior (or two) to create a little more flexibility in the pool.
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If our first pick was 10 and we ended up signing these three, I'd be thrilled. I'd give this draft an A+. But I have about a dozen players ahead of Anderson. Anderson is very good but to me he's in the second tier of the first rounders in this draft.

Some people are acting like if we took Pint, Groome, or Puk at 3 we would lose the 40th and 44th picks or have to select utility infielders there. That's not the case. We were always going to get good talent there. People ignore that opportunity cost.

It wasn't a choice between one A+ player or three B+ players. It was a choice between three B+ players or one A+ player and two B- players.

I just don't like the strategy of reaching at 3 to get a small talent bump at 40.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I am curious as well. I think Groome was looking for 5+ and I don't see how the Soxs will get there at 12. Maybe they punt the rest of the draft and get there.. maybe they offer 4 and say take it or leave it. He will be an interesting watch.
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The thing with not signing your first rounder is you get a first rounder next draft, so the Sox have multiple options here. I don't know how not signing Groome would add to their pool next year, but my guess is there would be an upward adjustment (but I don't know that for certain) so they could play around some. Some interesting college seniors sitting out there and the Red Sox could draft a bunch of those to scare up enough money to accommodate Groome's salary demands.
 
Tapate50 said:
Easy to forget there weren't Bryce Harper's and Strasburgs in this class. Just a muddled top end of the draft. We heard what... 5 different names for the top pick? That should tell us a lot about what scouts thought about the high end talent. Give me three guys in the top 20 of our board, over 1 top 20 guy and a few top 40s. It's an odds game.

I certainly see the other side though striker.
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I see the other side too. I just prefer trying to go all in at 3. Ideally you don't pick that high often.

And there weren't any Harper's in this draft but there was, as you said, a group of 5 or 6 who could have gone first overall. That made me hopeful we'd get one of them. Instead we got a guy who hadn't sniffed the top 5 anywhere and most places had him outside the top 10.
 
striker42 said:
If our first pick was 10 and we ended up signing these three, I'd be thrilled. I'd give this draft an A+. But I have about a dozen players ahead of Anderson. Anderson is very good but to me he's in the second tier of the first rounders in this draft.

Some people are acting like if we took Pint, Groome, or Puk at 3 we would lose the 40th and 44th picks or have to select utility infielders there. That's not the case. We were always going to get good talent there. People ignore that opportunity cost.

It wasn't a choice between one A+ player or three B+ players. It was a choice between three B+ players or one A+ player and two B- players.

I just don't like the strategy of reaching at 3 to get a small talent bump at 40.
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And I would contend that neither Wentz nor Muller are small talent bumps. Take away signability issues and those two could be in the top 25. It's always difficult to tell because scouting sheets vary widely among the organizations.
 
I think Striker has made the case pretty eloquently, and, given the nature of the draft in general--and this one in particular--I'm certainly happy with what we've got.

It could break either way for us, or not break at all...either way, we're a long way from knowing.
 
50PoundHead said:
And I would contend that neither Wentz nor Muller are small talent bumps. Take away signability issues and those two could be in the top 25. It's always difficult to tell because scouting sheets vary widely among the organizations.
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They vary especially widely outside the top 10 to 15. Of course, it's all academic at this point. No telling who they pick at 40 and 44 without going cheap at 3. I just don't expect they were that much lower than Wentz and Muller.
 
striker42 said:
If our first pick was 10 and we ended up signing these three, I'd be thrilled. I'd give this draft an A+. But I have about a dozen players ahead of Anderson. Anderson is very good but to me he's in the second tier of the first rounders in this draft.

Some people are acting like if we took Pint, Groome, or Puk at 3 we would lose the 40th and 44th picks or have to select utility infielders there. That's not the case. We were always going to get good talent there. People ignore that opportunity cost.

It wasn't a choice between one A+ player or three B+ players. It was a choice between three B+ players or one A+ player and two B- players.

I just don't like the strategy of reaching at 3 to get a small talent bump at 40.
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I disagree there were any A+ players in this draft (as I said earlier those are no doubt super prospects). There were a lot of A- and if you squint hard enough, some A's if EVERYTHING broke perfectly.

We also couldn't have gotten any of these players if we picked at 10. Anderson? Yeah, but it wouldn't leave the excess left over to get the next two most likely. So you really couldn't make those picks at all and expect to sign them.

I doubt we were in on Groome if his makeup issues are legit. Thats not our MO at all.
 
yeezus said:
huh? a lot of guys we have have TOR potential...
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We have a lot of guys with TOR potential if they make huge strides. Sims and Newcomb need to drastically improve control. Touki has to figure out how to pitch. And Fried is still a mystery. Without big strides these guys top out a middle of the rotation starters.

Allard is probably our best chance at an ace at this point. I'd probably rank him over any of the guys we drafted last night.
 
striker42 said:
We have a lot of guys with TOR potential if they make huge strides. Sims and Newcomb need to drastically improve control. Touki has to figure out how to pitch. And Fried is still a mystery. Without big strides these guys top out a middle of the rotation starters.

Allard is probably our best chance at an ace at this point. I'd probably rank him over any of the guys we drafted last night.
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That Soroka guys is pretty good...our second rounder that everyone complained about last year.
 
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