2016 DRAFT Signing Tracker ... FINAL, JULY 15

because it had the audacity to suggest that the Johns may not have had infallible foresight.
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you DO understand that we can like the way the draft turned out while also lamenting the stupid decision to sign Markakis and the short sightedness of trading for Olivera right? It's not an "all or nothing" proposition.
 
bravos4evr said:
you DO understand that we can like the way the draft turned out while also lamenting the stupid decision to sign Markakis and the short sightedness of trading for Olivera right? It's not an "all or nothing" proposition.
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That's the thing... in a vacuum, I am a fan of the draft. I think it could have been better with Lewis over Anderson.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't know if the Braves felt they could have made the money work. What started this debate was when I said "it looks like we would have been able to get all 3 of them in hindsight" and that apparently set the board on fire because it had the audacity to suggest that the Johns may not have had infallible foresight.
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Nope, but you don't really know. It's not about claiming they have infallible foresight. They brought him in, worked him out. Maybe they talked to him and his agent and got a gauge on what he'd want if drafted at 3? Makes sense, right?

sturg33 said:
My preference was Lewis over Anderson. Why? Because Anderson was mid-first round talent according to the evaluators, while Lewis was a top 3rd first round talent.
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But was he really? He went 11 - and if we're certain it wasn't because of money - then he was probably rated right around where Anderson was by most teams. It seems to me the league viewed Lewis differently than the evaluators did.

sturg33 said:
I've seen video of both. I'm not an evaluator, but based on the scouting reports I preferred Lewis to everyone in the draft. Why this is so controversial - I'll never understand. But it seems that if we don't auto applaud the moves we're called trolls and haters.
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As I've stated, that's not all that controversial. I had the same preference (provided the money was the same, which I personally suspect it wasn't). In a vacuum I'd have like Lewis as well. It's the being so sure about things we can't be sure about that is silly, not the preference itself.

sturg33 said:
Moniak is probably less risky and has a higher floor than Lewis. That's my opinion. I can't tell you why Lewis didn't go first. Perhaps Philly wanted the safer bet and toolsier hitter that they could develop and didnt want to take a risk on a small school kid. That's fair.
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I'm not sure how Moniak would be considered less risky than Lewis, or how he has a higher floor. And I'm not sure what you base that on. Does that mean you would've taken Moniak over Lewis?

to be honest i'm very tired of these hostile conversations and constant jabs (and realize I'm very much responsible for much of it). so i'm gonna stop with the snide remarks and shots and just try and discuss.
 
This thread has been the source of some of the most real-reasoned debate I've read anywhere in Chopland. The arguments about Lewis, even with the failed tryout which we know NOTHING about -- there reamain two separate schools of thought about how the draft went.

The first time around, it was very enlightening, and made me happy a few more fans were looking into the inner workings on how you build a farm system/roster.

The second time around, extra layers of reasoning and expanding the debate were brought out on both sides.

The third time around, the debate began to get a little repetitive.

Then there was the fourth time, the fifth time, the sixth time, the seventh time ... OK. Stop debating it already. All the good points on both sides have been made. Until Lewis begins his pro career, and Anderson begins throwing, there is nothing new under the sun, nothing to advance the debate. We've heard all along that the Braves and Anderson had an agreement in place. And now comes the huge stat from gondeee that the Braves have given more pitchers $1 M-plus bonuses this year than in the previous four drafts.

There is a plan at work. Agree or disagree with it. But it is folly to say or assume the Braves don't know what they're doing.
 
I was leery about Lewis because 1) he played against rather subpar competition compared to guys like Senzel and Ray 2) Lewis's home ballpark is one of the most hitter friendly parks in college baseball, especially inflating power numbers.

For those reasons, I thought he probably isn't as good as his batting line would make you think. I know he did pretty well in the cape cod league but I'm still not convinced about his bat being top of first round level. We'll see I guess but I personally think Senzel will be a much better hitter at the major league level.

There is a reason why Lewis was passed on by the first ten teams. I am happy with our haul, really excited about our three elite high school arms.

Remember, we are getting Maitan along with four other projected international signees bats (hopefully we sign all the guys we are linked to). We also have promising recently signed international bats in Pasche, Cruz,Yepez and Acuna. We are starting to get hitters too.
 
sturg33 said:
I don't know if the Braves felt they could have made the money work. What started this debate was when I said "it looks like we would have been able to get all 3 of them in hindsight" and that apparently set the board on fire because it had the audacity to suggest that the Johns may not have had infallible foresight.

If they didn't think they could sign Lewis - or they LEGIT wanted Anderson more - fine. I don't know. I'm just saying in hindsight, I'm fairly certain we could have made the money work.

My preference was Lewis over Anderson. Why? Because Anderson was mid-first round talent according to the evaluators, while Lewis was a top 3rd first round talent. Because the Braves system has no hitters and Lewis was potentially the top bat in the draft. Because the bust rate of hitters is lower than that of pitchers. Because I'd like to get some offensive talent that can get to the major leagues soon, and Lewis is closer.

I've seen video of both. I'm not an evaluator, but based on the scouting reports I preferred Lewis to everyone in the draft. Why this is so controversial - I'll never understand. But it seems that if we don't auto applaud the moves we're called trolls and haters.

Moniak is probably less risky and has a higher floor than Lewis. That's my opinion. I can't tell you why Lewis didn't go first. Perhaps Philly wanted the safer bet and toolsier hitter that they could develop and didnt want to take a risk on a small school kid. That's fair.
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It seems pretty clear to me that the Braves passed on Lewis because they were not sold on him as a player. I don't think it had much to do with his signing demands. They might end up regretting it along with 11 other teams, but seems like it will be an evaluation miss if that turns out to be the case.
 
rico43 said:
Jim Callis has tweeted that Mooney has signed for a big, fat $5,000 bonus.
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That is awesome news. Hyssong is also signed for $10k leaving only Neslony as the lone top ten pick left unsigned. We already know that Neslony will sign as soon as the college world series is over, probably for $10k as well. I believe this means that we will stay under the over 5% penalty even if Ian Anderson signs for the full $4 Millon exactly.

Hopefully Anderson signs for $3.825M so we can offer Josh Anthony $275k. Hopefully Anderson signs for $3.6 or $3.7M so we can also sign Shumpert.
 
Pachoo said:
That is awesome news. Hyssong is also signed for $10k leaving only Neslony as the lone top ten pick left unsigned. We already know that Neslony will sign as soon as the college world series is over, probably for $10k as well. I believe this means that we will stay under the over 5% penalty even if Ian Anderson signs for the full $4 Millon exactly.

Hopefully Anderson signs for $3.825M so we can offer Josh Anthony $275k.
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I think we might still be able to if Neslony signs for 10K. Callis tweeted that a guy I had at 275K signed for 150K.. that was another 125K going back into pot. 275 - 100k (allowable) is only 175K. I think we can find 50K somewhere in there..
 
Pachoo said:
That is awesome news. Hyssong is also signed for $10k leaving only Neslony as the lone top ten pick left unsigned. We already know that Neslony will sign as soon as the college world series is over, probably for $10k as well. I believe this means that we will stay under the over 5% penalty even if Ian Anderson signs for the full $4 Millon exactly.

Hopefully Anderson signs for $3.825M so we can offer Josh Anthony $275k. Hopefully Anderson signs for $3.6 or $3.7M so we can also sign Shumpert.[/QUOTE]

If I had to guess, that is in play.
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Reported by multiple sources Tuesday that 26th rounder Alan Crowley, a catcher, has signed and has been placed on the GCL roster. Somebody has to catch all these stud pitchers, after all. No bonus amount mentioned.
 
We only have Anderson and Neslony to sign in the top 10..
Assuming we can sign Neslony for CHEAP.. the goal would be to get Anderson to sign for anywhere from $3.5 million - $3.7 million.
If so, both Josh Anthony and Nick Shumpert are in play for overslot deals without going over the 5% threshold. :)
 
Did Shumpert sign? I haven't seen anything, but he has a check. I assume that is a mistake, but wanted to check in case I missed something.
 
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