My Realistic Dream 2017 Roster

Horsehide Harry said:
Well, I agree but what do you think they asked Texas for? Brinson and Luis Ortiz?

On the one hand we argue that Teheran should be traded for nothing less than a top 10 prospect, a top 50 and then another guy or two.

I certainly expect the Brewers to want A LOT for Lucroy. Newcomb is a top 30 guy and Sims and Soroka are outside the top 100. The one of the three who looks most likely not to bust is Soroka. You're getting Newcomb on faith.
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Dude, you get Teheran through 2020 and Lucroy for 1.5. Teheran is 25 and Lucroy is 30. The costs will be different even if the value is similar.
 
smootness said:
They can trade him in the offseason, but 1.5 years of a player is far more attractive than 1 year. His value will absolute be lower after the season is over.

I agree about not building for 2017, but I don't see any way Bregman is available. It would take quite a bit more than Teheran to get that done.
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Not to us. We'd be paying market price for a guy who could help in two pennant races when we are not in one.

As much as I like Lucroy, he's not a good fit for us at this time. I'd be thrilled to sign him FA for 4/$50m after 2017, though.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I understand where you're coming from but I just can't buy it.

You have to ask yourself what a Lucroy trade would cost? Let's say Lucroy for Newcomb, Sims and Soroka. I can't see why the Brewers would do it for less than that considering all the teams they have sniffing around.

Now, ask yourself what it would take to get Myers? It's GOT to be more than what you give up for LuCroy. Let's say the Braves don't get stupid and decide that one of Albies or Swanson is available. Then you are likely looking at Fried, Allard and Toussaint.

So, to get those two guys you have to GUT your pitching depth. That's 6 of your top 12 players. I just can't see how that in any way fits the whole purpose of the rebuild.

Now, I admit that I am assuming that the Pads and the Brewers don't just give those guys to the Braves for a bag of magic beans. But, I think I am pretty safe in assuming that.
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I wouldn't trade Newcombe or Sorka strait up for Lucroy. I probably would trade Sims...but that would be strait up.

Lucroy is good. But it's still 1.5 years of a 30 y/o catcher for a team that is probably should be looking at 2018 and beyond.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I wouldn't trade Newcombe or Sorka strait up for Lucroy. I probably would trade Sims...but that would be strait up.

Lucroy is good. But it's still 1.5 years of a 30 y/o catcher for a team that is probably should be looking at 2018 and beyond.
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Well I agree. But why in the world would the Brewers trade Lucroy for Sims when they have other options and are probably looking to Texas for a Lucroy for Gallo or for Brinson or Profar straight up? Or the Brewers are looking at Cleveland and asking for one of their top outfielders back?

My point has always been that to acquire good/very good/potentially great players (and I would put Lucroy into the very good category since he's one of the games best overall catchers), will cost more in minor league talent than the Braves can give and still be a rebuilding team.

If the Braves are going to trade for ML talent and NOT give up minor league guys that they don't want to and can't afford to give up, then they are going to have to look for reclamations and salary dumps.

FA is a better answer EXCEPT the FA class is horrible, back stopped by an excellent FA class between 17-18.

The Braves are in a quandary. They want to move into the new park with at least an illusion (hopefully a reality) that they are getting better but are severely limited in ways to actually achieve that outside of mortgaging the future.
 
if they can get any of those guys from texas they should do in NOW.

Lucroy was down last year. He's a 30 y/o catcher for a 1.5 yr deal. Why would texas give up any of those guys? I'd consider it if I got to work on a pre-deal extension with Lucroy
 
I'll play. Obviously, I don't think this WILL happen but do think it COULD happen, given the right circumstances:

Pre-Deadline Trades:

Minnesota gets: Aaron Blair, Tyrell Jenkins
Braves get: Ervin Santana, Phil Hughes, SS Wander Javier, Competitive Balance Pick

Reasoning: Minnesota sheds big time payroll and gain a couple of replacement arms that are cheap and (may) be good. Braves get a couple of rotation guys, a high end talent that's far away and a pick.

Pittsburgh gets: Freddie Freeman, Mauricio Cabrera, Rio Ruiz
Braves get: Jon Niese, Jeff Locke, OF Austin Meadows, 1B Josh Bell, C Reese McGuire

Reasoning: Pitt needs LH power in a bad way, especially a 1B. They see their window closing. They want to dump the salary of Niese and Locke. They get a big time arm in Cabrera that looks to be emerging and a close 3B guy that will at least bridge to Hayes. Braves get a couple of rotation fillers, a future starting OF, a future starting 1B and a potential future starting catcher.

Cleveland gets: Inciarte, Viz, Krol, AJP
Braves get: OF Clint Frazier, RHP Triston McKenzie

Reasoning: Cleveland needs pen help and gets it. The also need an OF. AJP fills in at catcher as a veteran presence. Braves get a future starting OF and a long term project pitcher with talent.

Baltimore gets: Markakis (Braves pay rest of the year), Jim Johnson (Braves pay the rest of the year), Eric O'Flaherty, RHP Chris Thurman
Braves get: 1B Trey Mancini

Reasoning: Markakis is a veteran icon and they could use him. Johnson and O'Flaherty help their pen. Thurman gives them an arm to try and develop. Braves move Markakis' last two years and get a playable minor league bat.

Offseason Moves

Colorado Gets: Teheran and Folty
Braves get: SS Brendan Rodgers, OF David Dahl, C Dom Nunez

Reasoning: Colorado has an offense that can compete next year, especially if they keep Cargo. They look like they are focusing on power arms and Teheran and Folty give them 2/5 of a rotation. The Braves get a future 3B in Rodgers, a future OF in Dahl and a potential future catcher in Nunez.

Potential 2018-2019 Team:

2B Albies
SS Swanson
CF Meadows
RF Frazier
LF Dahl
1B Bell/Mancini
3B Rodgers/Riley
C McGuire/Nunez

You have plenty of cash to get what you need.

Rotation: Wisler, Newcomb, Fried, Toussaint, Soroka (You have PLENTY of cash to look for a TOR horse if needed)
Pen: Minter, Withrow, Alvarez, Cerevnka, Winkler, Sims, Simmons, etc. (again, plenty of cash to sign who you need)
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Colorado Gets: Teheran and Folty
Braves get: SS Brendan Rodgers, OF David Dahl, C Dom Nunez

Reasoning: Colorado has an offense that can compete next year, especially if they keep Cargo. They look like they are focusing on power arms and Teheran and Folty give them 2/5 of a rotation. The Braves get a future 3B in Rodgers, a future OF in Dahl and a potential future catcher in Nunez.
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We can't even get Benintendi or Bregman (seemingly) for Julio, and you somehow think we are going to get Rodgers and Dahl for a deal centered around him? Not to mention Julio is a horrible fit in Colorado (his career ERA there is 5.4). That deal has no chance of happening.
 
auyushu said:
We can't even get Benintendi or Bregman (seemingly) for Julio, and you somehow think we are going to get Rodgers and Dahl for a deal centered around him? Not to mention Julio is a horrible fit in Colorado (his career ERA there is 5.4). That deal has no chance of happening.
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That's the reason it is Teheran and Folty. Folty fits the power pitching mold they have gone to. Julio does give up the HR BUT the Rocks have gone away from ground ball guys and are looking for strike-out power guys. While Teheran isn't exactly that, he's not the worst guy they could get.

Having said that, I would take any of these trades taken individually and all if possible.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
That's the reason it is Teheran and Folty. Folty fits the power pitching mold they have gone to. Julio does give up the HR BUT the Rocks have gone away from ground ball guys and are looking for strike-out power guys. While Teheran isn't exactly that, he's not the worst guy they could get.

Having said that, I would take any of these trades taken individually and all if possible.
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:FrediPuzzled:

Julio might get us Dahl if we were lucky (and even that is unlikely), Folty isn't worth anywhere close to either. Julio wouldn't get us Rodgers by himself, he has around the same value as Benintendi and Bregman. You do realize Rodgers was the #12 prospect on BA's midseason update, and Dahl was #16?

We aren't getting two top 30 hitting prospects for Julio and Folty, much less 2 top 15ish. And of course you would take that trade, we win it going away.
 
auyushu said:
:FrediPuzzled:

Julio might get us Dahl if we were lucky (and even that is unlikely), Folty isn't worth anywhere close to either. Julio wouldn't get us Rodgers by himself, he has around the same value as Benintendi and Bregman. You do realize Rodgers was the #12 prospect on BA's midseason update, and Dahl was #16?

We aren't getting two top 30 hitting prospects for Julio and Folty, much less 2 top 15ish. And of course you would take that trade, we win it going away.
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I'm assuming both close strong for the Braves.

Hey, I would do a Teheran for Dahl straight up right now and keep Folty. I just think that the Rocks have no place to play Rodgers any time soon and Dahl is expendable given their current offensive situation. I also think the Rocks will look at next year as THEIR year to win (at least they should) and I'm willing to trade them 2/5th's of their rotation through 2020. You would have to sell it, but I think it's at least possible.

Outside of that deal, I would be looking at Houston for Teheran and Folty for Bregman and Tucker.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I also think the Rocks will look at next year as THEIR year to win (at least they should)
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Lol. A team that's about to be 7 games below .500 and had a top 5 pick this past draft should be looking at next year as their year to win, that's classic. LeMahieu will be gone by the time Rodgers is ready, finding room won't be an issue.

Keep on dreaming I guess, but the Rockies aren't going to be going for anything next year.
 
Looking ahead to 2017, I think these positions are pretty much locked in on who will start. Subject to change if trades are made, sure but Freeman, Albies, Swanson in the infield and Inciarte and Mallex in the OF. Looking at that, power is def needed, but we will wreck havoc on the bases.

Regarding the bullpen, we have the potential to have a lethal pen. Cabrera, Viz, Withrow and Simmons from R side with Minter, Cervenka, Alvarez from the L. Plenty of other options.

Starters Teheran, Wisler and Folty as locks.

Needs clearly are C, 3B, and RhOF power bat. Im not good at coming up with trades so I will not try, but looking at these guys potentially, and throw in tons of money and pawns to trade for the needs, unless all of our prospects are busts, we will be very good again very soon.
 
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