Democratic National Convention

bravesnumberone said:
He's a good man. I really don't think anyone reasonable would dispute that. The Iraq thing will probably continue to hang over his head for a while, as it should, but who really knows how that war will be viewed 20 years down the road?
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If W would have went with his gut instead of listening to Rove and Cheney, I think things would have turned out a lot differently for him (to the good).

Didn't see all of Obama's speech, but caught the last 10 minutes. Good speech from what I saw. He sees the on-going flow of history quite well and I get the optimism. Things aren't great, but nor are they horrendous.

I think Obama presided over the difficult time in American history. Like W, his legacy will be polarizing for the next 20 to 30 years (as was FDR's and Reagan's). I think he kept the train on the tracks through economic and political turmoil. Too combative (or wrongly combative) at either the right time for the wrong reason or the wrong time for the right reason and was too glib for his own good at points, but I think the future will treat him kindly at some point down the road. I feel the same way about W, although I believe the neo-con dream most vociferously voiced by Charles Krauthamer that we are going to see a democratic and peaceful Middle East due to the Iraq War will go unfulfilled. People can carp about the Iran deal (and it certainly can go sour), but I think it's made everyone in that region sit up and start solving some of their own problems. Israel is reaching out to Arab states in an unprecedented manner.
 
Obama has spent an unimaginable amount of money to basically just give us an "ok" economy.

Ultimately just kick the can down the road...
 
Forever Fredi said:
I honestly have no interest to watch the final speeches tonight. lol.
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Ditto. The only portions of the live speeches I have heard are due to the fact that they ran past 10 PM CDT, which is when I tune in the local news to see how many cats have been rescued from trees by the local authorities.
 
50PoundHead said:
Ditto. The only portions of the live speeches I have heard are due to the fact that they ran past 10 PM CDT, which is when I tune in the local news to see how many cats have been rescued from trees by the local authorities.
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Well I tuned in to Slick Bill. Uncle Joe, and BO because they give great speeches. Obama really turned back the clock last night. I've just never been interested in Hillary's speeches. She might be smarter than BO and Bill for all we know, but I just am not a fan of her speeches.
 
Bill's speech was the best of them
I had never heard the details of HRC public service story.
She has been in my view for close to 30 years and never knew half the **** she's done/accomplished for the public good.
Plus Bill said, "the speeches are fun"

We don't have cable news any longer so get to use CSPAN
 
Forever Fredi said:
Well I tuned in to Slick Bill. Uncle Joe, and BO because they give great speeches. Obama really turned back the clock last night. I've just never been interested in Hillary's speeches. She might be smarter than BO and Bill for all we know, but I just am not a fan of her speeches.
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So you are going to take a pass at the biggest speech at the DNC?
 
she is a horrible speech deliver er.
The three Sav mentioned are world class

Michelle is more riveting than all
 
Krgrecw said:
So you are going to take a pass at the biggest speech at the DNC?
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I've heard her give the same speeches since 2008 when she ran back then.

I know what she's about, I know who she is. I know what she's gonna say.

I had no idea what Bill, Joe, and BO were gonna say because they were giving speeches under new circumstances.

I will read highlights and maybe the transcript of her speech, but I have no plan on watching it in it's entirety like I did for the other 3.

I was out teaching during Michelle's speech, and while it wasn't long I regret not having seen it live. I knew what Bernie was gonna say, so I knew I wasn't missing anything except the theatrics.
 
sturg33 said:
It is curious why the DNC blew their wad on Wed...

Bill, Biden, Obama, and Kaine is a good lineup. Tonight?
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I honestly would have had Obama or Bill introduce Hillary, not Chelsea. Even if it would be a tough act to follow, you have the room buzzing after one of those two.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think having an ex- (or soon to be ex-) president do the introduction would diminish the nominee somewhat. She has to stand alone tonight.
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She needs all the help she can get.

Just like going out there after his speech last night that place was buzzing.
 
New editorial from my favorite conservative commentator.

Hillary Clinton is in serious trouble. She’s not in trouble because of the massive competence of Donald Trump. She’s in trouble because she is terrible at the game her husband invented: the game of “who cares more about people like you.” In March 1992, Bill Clinton met a member of an AIDS-activism group at an event at a nightclub in New York City. Attacked by the activist for not doing enough for AIDS victims, Clinton famously responded, “I feel your pain, I feel your pain.” Clinton’s false empathy led him from victory to victory; he defeated the out-of-touch George H. W. Bush and crushed the oddly self-referential Bob Dole. But Bill Clinton’s wife is one of the least empathy-driven candidates in the history of politics. She’s manipulating, cynical, and nasty. She’s instinctively defensive, brutally cutting, and utterly cold. The polls show it.


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weso1 said:
Michelle and Tim Tebow will both be president one day.
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Don't you have more belief in your side than that? Do you think there are no competent govt people on the Right? I can just imagine TT taking a knee on the Presidential seal rug in the Oval Office. God help us, indeed.
 
Runnin said:
Don't you have more belief in your side than that? Do you think there are no competent govt people on the Right? I can just imagine TT taking a knee on the Presidential seal rug in the Oval Office. God help us, indeed.
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Dean Cain. I think he would be a good choice. Smart dude.
 
This might be the dumbest and worst intro I've ever seen for a presidential candidate. The production values are nice because hollywood, but only a legit rube would fall for this crap.
 
Runnin said:
Don't you have more belief in your side than that? Do you think there are no competent govt people on the Right? I can just imagine TT taking a knee on the Presidential seal rug in the Oval Office. God help us, indeed.
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We have to look for hollywood folks because of our culture. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is. Your side has more hollywood types.
 
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