Middle releivers are the worst value $$$/WAR you can do on the open market. International FA are a total grab bag as we've seen recently. Sometimes you get the guy who the White Sox got. Sometimes you get Olivera. Vet MOR do get close but the Braves are spending money on that. They would be spending money on position guys. At 8 or so million per way if you are spending it on the FA market you are getting a 1-2 WAR player. No impact players. There are exceptions to everything though.
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Middle releivers are the worst value $$$/WAR you can do on the open market. International FA are a total grab bag as we've seen recently. Sometimes you get the guy who the White Sox got. Sometimes you get Olivera. Vet MOR do get close but the Braves are spending money on that. They would be spending money on position guys. At 8 or so million per way if you are spending it on the FA market you are getting a 1-2 WAR player. No impact players. There are exceptions to everything though.
Not true at all. Corporations hold onto cash surplus all the time, or use it to buy back stock or restructure debt. Don't you read your corporate new letters and earnings reports? Or does the lawn guy you work for not send them out?
You are right about the Braves though. Everything I've read suggests they operate on a year to year budget, probably because they have to estimate attendance revenue before they set a budget. The money saved on payroll this year likely went towards all the signing bonuses they have handed out recently. Next year they won't be signing international guys, so the payroll almost certainly goes up substantially.
And 32 year old outfielders with arthritis in their hips are good value?
There are center fielders that can go into a corner outfielders area and make plays. Those corner outfielders play closer to the line to limit their range that way. It's fairly obvious.
Did I say it was good value? Kemp is likely overpaid in his time here. Does it really matter that much in non competitive seasons where payroll isn't important?
You clearly think Kemp was a fine acquisition.
Just to get you on record, how many WAR will Kemp be worth? Even with Inciarte catching all the fly balls he couldn't get to, thus artificially boosting Kemp's defensive numbers?
LOl...Ok. Please feel free to expound
Corporations may do that. Baseball teams don't.
Which is literally exactly what I wrote. However, Chico said, "That's not how corporations are run. There are no rollover minutes. I'm sure they have a small slush fund, but that money is tabbed the previous fiscal year. If we don't lose it it's a Christmas bonus for someone."
He said CORPORATIONS. It's like you click quote and post something just to argue with me, even when you write exactly what I just wrote.
LOl. So I'm in lawn maintenance now? Personal insults show a lack of intelligence and control. I'll still give you a hug though!
I don't think Kemp is some colossal mistake because the only potential overpay is in $$$. Something the Braves can waste the next couple of seasons and it won't matter. I think Keep will be a 0.8 WAR player per year in his time here assuming he stays all 3 years. Which would would a market rate of 6.4 million. Given an effective rate of 8.6 that they are paying him then that's an overpay of 2.2 million. God forbid we have wasted that.
So you argued for no reason? The whole argument pertains to the Braves and how baseball teams operate.
We are a division of a corporation. We're not corporate. Liberty Media is corporate. Yes, they can do whatever they want to.
LOl. So I'm in lawn maintenance now? Personal insults show a lack of intelligence and control. I'll still give you a hug though!
No time for a hug. I am off to the gym for a bench workout. I'll have selfies for you in about 2 hours.
Now get back out there and trim that hedge (sorry I can't think of another occupation where an employee doesn't understand how the corporation they work for uses surplus cash).
LOL..This is making my day!
Right, that's fine. It's fine to say "it doesn't matter" over the next 1-2 seasons. But if that's the path the team is going to take then they can't sit there and waste Teheran's value over the same time period.
Either the seasons matter and they need to acquire players that are better than 1 WAR, or the seasons don't matter and they need to trade Teheran. There is no middle ground.
I am guessing they think 2017 matters, and Kemp is a piece of the solution. That flawed player/roster evaluation is a problem when it's employed by the FO of your favorite team.
I figured gym pics of a dude would!
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
Remember that one time when Matt Kemp was absolutely on fire and having an out of this world MVP worth season and our great strategic manager decided not to intentially walk him in extra innings at Dodger Stadium to prolong the game and give us a chance to win. Great times.
So would you trade JT right now to teams who only view him was a MOR starter?
chop2chip
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So say Teheran replicates his season next year, you don't think his value increases? I think it unequivocally does, which defeats your false dichotomy.