Swanson getting the call...

GovClintonTyree said:
While I understand the likelihood of MLEs, every now and then a player outhits his minor league record. It's a decent bet Swanson is one of those. I like his quick swing and easy gap power, and think it will transition well to the major leagues.
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When you figure in the fact that Swanson was in one of the worst parks in MiLB for hitters (actually two of them - Carolina isn't very conducive to offense either), and Bregman played in two pretty good hitter's parks, the difference between their respective performances in MiLB wasn't all that great. Mississippi is where fly balls go to die.

The park factors also make Dustin Peterson's AA season look all that much more impressive. Unfortunately, they also should give us cause for concern with the pitchers (especially Newcomb).
 
msstate7 said:
Benintendi was at .312/.378/.532 in the minors. He's at .341/.386/.439 in Boston.

Bregman seems to be coming on a little now. Last 7, .267/.324/.467.

I'm not sure what any of this proves other than no one really knows what Swanson will do early. I think there's a consensus that he'll be a good player long term though, so I really don't care if he struggles some at first.

BTW, bregman and benintendi were both drafted with Swanson, so the braves aren't the only team making this huge mistake
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The Red Sox and Astros are trying to make the playoffs, it is different circumstances.
 
striker42 said:
Swanson probably isn't ready to be successful in the majors. But that's okay. Calling him up now has some benefits. First, there's not a ton of pressure right now. Next April with the new park and a high likelihood of some major additions, there's going to be more pressure to win. Letting Dansby adjust to the majors while there's no need for him to instantly produce is a good thing. He'll be better prepared for next spring.

I think this callup also might dovetail nicely with an AFL trip. Give him a taste of the bigs, show him what it's going to take for him to be successful, and then send him to the AFL to work on what he needs to in order to succeed.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ozzie got the call September 1. Trading Aybar opened a spot for Dansby a little sooner but I see no reason why Albies shouldn't be up playing second as soon as the rosters expand and give him a spot.
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Valid argument in the first paragraph. I would counter that there will not be any pressure next year because the team will still be a bad team. Could wait a couple months and not lose a year. If we lose him a year early or there is a money crunch because we have to pay him 6 years from now, it will certainly impact the team. If he agrees to an extension, it really doesn't matter except a waste of a couple million dollars.
 
gilesfan said:
Valid argument in the first paragraph. I would counter that there will not be any pressure next year because the team will still be a bad team. Could wait a couple months and not lose a year. If we lose him a year early or there is a money crunch because we have to pay him 6 years from now, it will certainly impact the team. If he agrees to an extension, it really doesn't matter except a waste of a couple million dollars.
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Could the team bring in more revenue now and early next year because Dansby is up? Quite possibly.

And the playing without pressure argument is a good one.

I think there is an argument to be made on both sides, it's the people who call it 'moronic' that I ignore. They are arguing for purely financial reasons, yet also seem upset that the Braves are making this move at least in part due to financial reasons.
 
smootness said:
Could the team bring in more revenue now and early next year because Dansby is up? Quite possibly.

And the playing without pressure argument is a good one.

I think there is an argument to be made on both sides, it's the people who call it 'moronic' that I ignore. They are arguing for purely financial reasons, yet also seem upset that the Braves are making this move at least in part due to financial reasons.
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In the most simplest terms...this move may cost us money in the future, but it also makes us money in the present.
 
I think the big difference here is that there is now an obvious void at SS, yes even more than when Aybar was there... lol. As far as second base and Albies... I think the club is still trying to figure out exactly what Jace is. He's been such an enigma with his injury first and now his streakiness. Its hard to know exactly what he is at this point for sure.
 
auyushu said:
The only funny thing really is you talking out of your butt about Glavine/Smoltz/Chipper/Andruw. None of them had to "take their lumps". Smoltz, Glavine, and Chipper all spent full seasons performing at an elite level in AAA before getting called to the majors, Andruw smoked every level of the minors before getting called up. Furcal didn't struggle in the minors before getting called up either, even though he got grabbed after high A. But that was a team in the middle of a playoff chase desperate for a SS, and Furcal had performed well in spring training.

Swanson getting called up has no relation to any of those players.
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You meant other than getting blasted when they were called up, right? As in Glavine's 7-17, 4.56 ERA 34 start season as a 22 year old in 1988 or Smoltz' 2-7, 5.48 ERA while giving up 10 HRs in 64 IP that same season as a 21 year old, right? Apparently VirginiaBrave and I are the only people that remember that.

Or maybe you were just in too big a hurry to take a shot at me that it slipped your mind.

As for actually SEEING him play, they've obviously seen him quite a bit since the handful of innings you saw 6 weeks ago. You conveniently leave out the parts of their statements where they mention that while they don't think he's a "finished product" just yet, they in no way expect him to be overwhelmed. Just to pacify those of you who will want to scream about the "blind followers", that's not just Coppy & Company saying that - it's pretty much the consensus across the board (BA, MLB Pipeline, etc.).
 
gilesfan said:
Andruw also came up in August and had earned it by hitting .339/.421/.652 through 3 levels in the minors and was a clear upgrade on the roster for the playoff run. Chipper originally came up when rosters expanded. Furcal came out of nowhere. I really didn't know much about him, but he was in an improvement on a competing team.
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Furcal came out of nowhere? In 1999 he was the #60 prospect in all of baseball at the age of 21.... In 2000 he was the #8 prospect in all of baseball. Man our 1999 class must have been stacked... he was our #7 prospect but still the #60 prospect in baseball?
 
clvclv said:
You meant other than getting blasted when they were called up, right? As in Glavine's 7-17, 4.56 ERA 34 start season as a 22 year old in 1988 or Smoltz' 2-7, 5.48 ERA while giving up 10 HRs in 64 IP that same season as a 21 year old, right? Apparently VirginiaBrave and I are the only people that remember that.

Or maybe you were just in too big a hurry to take a shot at me that it slipped your mind.

As for actually SEEING him play, they've obviously seen him quite a bit since the handful of innings you saw 6 weeks ago. You conveniently leave out the parts of their statements where they mention that while they don't think he's a "finished product" just yet, they in no way expect him to be overwhelmed. Just to pacify those of you who will want to scream about the "blind followers", that's not just Coppy & Company saying that - it's pretty much the consensus across the board (BA, MLB Pipeline, etc.).
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Shockingly, you missed his point.
 
zbhargrove said:
Furcal came out of nowhere? In 1999 he was the #60 prospect in all of baseball at the age of 21.... In 2000 he was the #8 prospect in all of baseball. Man our 1999 class must have been stacked... he was our #7 prospect but still the #60 prospect in baseball?
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Using the same publication for those two numbers? But yeah baseball america top 100 in 99

Chen #3

Lombard #26

Odaliz Perez #31

Kevin McGlinchy #47

Furcal #60
 
thewupk said:
Using the same publication for those two numbers? But yeah baseball america top 100 in 99

Chen #3
Lombard #26
Odaliz Perez #31
Kevin McGlinchy #47
Furcal #60
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Was just a quick look on baseball cube, so I'm not sure how accurate it is. I always forget how hyped up Chen was. McGlinchy is a name I haven't thought about in a while.
 
zbhargrove said:
Was just a quick look on baseball cube, so I'm not sure how accurate it is. I always forget how hyped up Chen was. McGlinchy is a name I haven't thought about in a while.
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Yeah. After a disappointing start Chen actually turned in a decent MLB career. It's always good to have a stacked farm but that list is just another example of it never guaranteeing you anything.
 
thewupk said:
Yeah. After a disappointing start Chen actually turned in a decent MLB career. It's always good to have a stacked farm but that list is just another example of it never guaranteeing you anything.
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No way man... the usual suspects have already declared the rebuild a paramount success... because, uh, farm rankings
 
This is more a PR than a baseball move, so that's the issue with me. I think Coppy is truly disappointed in how the team performed this season (which makes me wonder about his baseball acumen) and he's looking for any shot in the arm. I've never agreed with the whole Super 2 angle in baseball. The owners really screwed up when they allowed that to happen as it just complicates personnel decisions to the nth degree.

We'll live one way or the other. I think Swanson will do just fine. I bark about the 40-man roster angle, but we'll live through that as well.
 
50PoundHead said:
This is more a PR than a baseball move, so that's the issue with me. I think Coppy is truly disappointed in how the team performed this season (which makes me wonder about his baseball acumen) and he's looking for any shot in the arm. I've never agreed with the whole Super 2 angle in baseball. The owners really screwed up when they allowed that to happen as it just complicates personnel decisions to the nth degree.

We'll live one way or the other. I think Swanson will do just fine. I bark about the 40-man roster angle, but we'll live through that as well.
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Yeah I have a feeling that's getting scrapped especially with the Kris Bryant uproar. Something along the lines if you are promoted and on the team for over half a season it counts as a full one towards your service time. Maybe even use the old super 2 time frame as the cutoff but I feel something is going to be changed. The two weeks and gain an extra year angle will be pushed way back.
 
clvclv said:
You meant other than getting blasted when they were called up, right? As in Glavine's 7-17, 4.56 ERA 34 start season as a 22 year old in 1988 or Smoltz' 2-7, 5.48 ERA while giving up 10 HRs in 64 IP that same season as a 21 year old, right? Apparently VirginiaBrave and I are the only people that remember that.
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50 and I would both recall that Golden Era fondly.
 
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