GDT: July 10th, 2013 - Braves @ Marlins - Chris hitting 5th - Pastor SS

Well I simply fundamentally disagree regarding the significance of this prototypical leadoff hitter. The team needs productive hitters; it needs the players they've promoted, signed, or otherwise acquired to hit to the levels of their capabilities. Acquiring unproductive players like Span or (to a lesser extent) Revere, and giving them the greatest proportion of team PA, just because they're Official Leadoff-Style Hitters is unproductive.

Look at it another way. If we would have brought in a player like that and they didn't perform they are easily replaceable. We'd also be able to use the $75 million we used on Upton elsewhere.
 
Someone should go PM david55 on scout. He made a GDT while the game was in progress and joked he couldn't let a day go by without one.

Also, airsuri is signed in. SOMEONE PM HIM QUICKLY!
 
I was saying if he was having his normal season we wouldn't be having this discussion. BJ was never going to over night turn into a .300/.350/.475 hitter. It wasn't going to happen. For some reason a lot of people expected that from him so since it's not happened BJ gets talked about worst than he should be.

And I disagree with that.

If he was hitting 230 with a lot of strikeouts and good power numbers he still would be a problem.
 
I was saying if he was having his normal season we wouldn't be having this discussion. BJ was never going to over night turn into a .300/.350/.475 hitter. It wasn't going to happen. For some reason a lot of people expected that from him so since it's not happened BJ gets talked about worst than he should be.

Agreed. And, at the time he was signed, it made sense (even though I personally wasn't a huge fan of the specific move): plug in a plus-defender at CF who could provide a ~.750 with very good right-handed power, and great speed to boot.
 
And I disagree with that.

If he was hitting 230 with a lot of strikeouts and good power numbers he still would be a problem.

Why? BJ wasn't brought it to be the lead off hitter. He was brought in to hit for power and if he were doing that he would be fine. You don't need a true lead off hitter to have a good offense. You just need a good hitting batting lead off that gets on base. Who cares if they have Ricky Henderson stolen base potential?
 
Why? BJ wasn't brought it to be the lead off hitter. He was brought in to hit for power and if he were doing that he would be fine. You don't need a true lead off hitter to have a good offense. You just need a good hitting batting lead off that gets on base. Who cares if they have Ricky Henderson stolen base potential?

And Simmons is very capable of being that man. He just needs to stop swinging at everything as hard as he can.
 
Why? BJ wasn't brought it to be the lead off hitter. He was brought in to hit for power and if he were doing that he would be fine. You don't need a true lead off hitter to have a good offense. You just need a good hitting batting lead off that gets on base. Who cares if they have Ricky Henderson stolen base potential?

Because we already had Dan Uggla, that's why. One of those type of hitters are fine, not more than that. He's just not a good fit for this team and never was. Also once you give him all that money you are stuck with him and limit your option to improve if it doesn't work out. And let's be honest there was a very good chance it wasn't going to work out. You said earlier players that don't walk and strikeout a lot aren't good hitters......well what does that make BJ?
 
Look at it another way. If we would have brought in a player like that and they didn't perform they are easily replaceable. We'd also be able to use the $75 million we used on Upton elsewhere.

What inexpensive free-agents were out on the market this past winter that fit this idyllic profile? Because Span and Revere both cost assets despite (and because of) their lower salaries.
 
Well I simply fundamentally disagree regarding the significance of this prototypical leadoff hitter. The team needs productive hitters; it needs the players they've promoted, signed, or otherwise acquired to hit to the levels of their capabilities. Acquiring unproductive players like Span or (to a lesser extent) Revere, and giving them the greatest proportion of team PA, just because they're Official Leadoff-Style Hitters is unproductive.

could not have said it better myself
 
Don't really like to hear that Terdo thinks he needs to swing at every strike.

He's never been a pinch-hitter before. He's probably far too anxious since he's only getting 1 at-bat every few days when he's used to starting. It's one of the reasons Bobby didn't like to bring up a kid and then let him rot away on the bench. He immediately gave him a start to try to get rid of those butterflies. I don't know what Joey T has to do to get a start.
 
Because we already had Dan Uggla, that's why. One of those type of hitters are fine, not more than that. He's just not a good fit for this team and never was. Also once you give him all that money you are stuck with him and limit your option to improve if it doesn't work out. And let's be honest there was a very good chance it wasn't going to work out. You said earlier players that don't walk and strikeout a lot aren't good hitters......well what does that make BJ?

BJ actually walks at a decent clip.

2007 - 65 walks
2008 - 97 walks
2009 - 57 walks
2010 - 67 walks
2011 - 71 walks
2012 - 45 walks (lowest of his career in a full season)
2013 - 33 walks (on pace to have 60 something walks)
 
the good news is since there's only 4 more games till the break we might not see maholm again for a while.If he's the fifth man out of the break that's almost two weeks. They could possibly get Beachy back by then and relegate Maholm to ... whatever.
 
This current infield alignment can't be great for Ayala's anxiety disorder.
 
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