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All ten prospects bust.
Braves sign Bautista
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All ten prospects bust.
If Bautista get a single PA at 3B over Camargo we should all be yelling at the FO.
This is the season to see what Camargo is once and for all, not the season to let a washed up player soak up PAs.
I'm guessing Bautista never sees any real playing time at the MLB level unless it's as a DH.
This is the season to see what Camargo is once and for all, not the season to let a washed up player soak up PAs.
I'm guessing Bautista never sees any real playing time at the MLB level unless it's as a DH.
msstate7
Well-known member
I'm mad camargo isn't getting a start tonight.
salmagundy
Boras' Client
Is Bautista the NEW Kemp???
I'm mad camargo isn't getting a start tonight.--- msstate7
You're noit the Lone Ranger
He is. Difference is Coppy paid 18 million for Kemp. AA has Joey Bats on a minor league deal.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Also, Bats stays in impeccable shape and Kemp was an enormous fat pig by the end of both years. If Joey doesn't make it, it won't be because he's out of shape. It'll be because he sucks.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Yeah, I guess they want to see if they can ride Flaherty as long as they can. There are guys who figure it out later, but not generally after six years of hitting .210.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Yep
I'd like to introduce you to Tyler Flowers.
Kidding, of course.
Just an opportunity to point out how many numbers-freaks have recently jumped onto his bandwagon while hoping no one wastes the time to search through old threads.
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Are these the same number-freaks who think Flowers is one of the better catchers in the game due to his pitch framing or is that too mathy for you?
Pays to have a short memory, doesn't it?
None of you were interested in bringing him back because of his pitch framing - everyone said he couldn't hit and the numbers "proved it". There's no doubt he's beloved now because of his ability to steal strikes, but that wasn't talked about when he re-signed - only the fact that he wasn't good enough to be a full-time starter. Couldn't hit enough, couldn't throw anybody out.
Newest, hottest metrics have a way of constantly changing the narrative.
I'm sure you were excited to bring back a 30 year old catcher with a career 665 OPS. Flowers had always been a good pitch framer and turned into an excellent one his last year in Chicago which he still is. That said, no, I didn't think he could be a full time starter and neither did the Braves. But he forced himself into that role and has been a very good player since coming back. Players can change their narrative at 30 but it's not the norm.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Sorry, guy, but this is demonstrably false. From "Braves to sign Flowers" (8 December 2015):
Like, the consensus was literally the opposite of what you're saying it was. And I don't see one complaint about his bat.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
No, I think you're off a little bit here. Thing is, nearly all those metrics are looking backwards and using them, some in very granular and clever ways, to predict the future. And so you get some of the statisticians on here who are able to make very accurate predictions on future events, often using measurables that would have been unimaginable a few years ago. However -
They're still predictions. There will be results 1-2 standard deviations from the mean. Seems to me a lot of the arguments around here are because one guy is making a prediction with a very useful statistical analysis and another guy says, well, yeah, but not necessarily, because he's [Lost weight. Figured something out. Changed his swing plane. Simplified his mechanics. Showed improved pitch recognition in a SSS in spring training. BSOML.] or he's got a hunch or feeling.
I think it's better to manage a baseball franchise, or any other business, informed by whatever the data can tell you. But you should be informed, not governed.
AA signing Jose Bautista is an example. Any number of statistical analyses would suggest that he is on the decline, unlikely to rebound. He hit .203 last year, had 170Ks, BABIP was only .230, and yet our new, statistically inclined GM decides to take a flyer on him. In the press conference, he mentioned that Bats keeps himself in impeccable shape and is unusually driven to succeed and not to bet against him.
That's talk that would get a poster ridiculed around here. But Anthopoulos, at least for now, gets a pass because things are looking pretty good and he's hit on a number of unlikely acquisitions. I'm sure he knows Bautista K'ed 170 times last year and hit .203 with a .232 BABIP. But he's choosing to be informed by data, rather than letting the data govern him. I'm okay with that, what about you?
LOL....
clv gonna clv...derrrrppp
I'm guessing we don't hear from him in this thread again haha.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Indeed.
A lot of people (myself included) liked the Flowers signing because he could take a walk and hit for some power, even if his average wasn't very good, and he was/is an excellent pitch-framer—all key things to see from a catcher on your roster, whether he's a backup or a lower-end to middling starter. All told, Flowers was a good bet; then he bloomed out of his likeliest outcomes and became a great payout on what was "only" a good bet.
chop2chip
Well-known member
Lol... Well done
Remember that time clvderpclv said, "None of you were interested in bringing him back because of his pitch framing", and then jpx7 quoted me as saying, "Having an excellent framer like Flowers might go a long way towards getting better performance out of these young starters" along with several other posts touting his framing in the thread about signing Flowers?
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