AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Except 57. His hatred is scary.
The Trump Presidency
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Except 57. His hatred is scary.
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<B><I>The Artist Formally Known as <P>Ventura's St
Actually have the deal between North and South Korea firmly completed; not renig on the US agreement with Iran. It's still incomplete
We should and will scrap the deal with Iran. It was bad policy to begin with and was based on a lie that was willfully accepted by the last administration.
57Brave
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Can someone explain why the Iran Deal is a bad deal or a necesary evil
I would love to see a pro and con side by side
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Haha, this lady's not in it for the money, though.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I wonder if you could briefly explain the state of play for the various parties if we were to scrap the deal, and why that would be in the interests of peace, security, and prosperity.
What I know is that Iran is not to be trusted. They outwardly call for the eradication of Israel. Nothing in this plan prevents them from getting a bomb eventually. I have no interest in dealing with them with their current power struggle. I would choke the leadership with every tool possible until the people overthrow their corrupt leadership.
Runnin
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That's your answer??? Can you list specific successes without the boilerplate over the top generalities? That should be easy if it really does far exceed anything.
Runnin
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I think we knew that already.
The details you are looking for aren't shared with people as the shouldn't be. Only results matter but forging new relationships with Saudi Arabia and India have helped our leverage in traditional hot spots.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Kinda what I figured.
There will never be peace with Iran as currently constituted. Any thoughts otherwise are foolish
Runnin
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So you can't tell me what you mean by "extraordinarily successful foreign policy". So you just heard it somewhere?
Do you think these successes are random?
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<B><I>The Artist Formally Known as <P>Ventura's St
You asked me for my description and I gave it.
To me, the entire international community (other than China, Russia, etc.) has to agree with your opinion for it to be correct to scrap the deal, otherwise the normal sanctions will not work (Iran is much more dependent on the EU than US). As far as I know, every major power (other than Israel) thinks it would be a mistake to cancel the deal.
I think Vox put together a reasonable pro/con Iran deal in general (cons: https://www.vox.com/2015/4/3/8340725/iran-nuclear-sanctions-relief and https://www.vox.com/2015/4/20/8453267/iran-deal-case-against) (pros: https://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8337347/iran-deal-good).
Pros of the deal:
1. Iran had to agree to rigorous inspections according to experts in proliferation - inspections of all uranium mines, centrifuge sites, and enrichment factories and can detect changes in the equipment needed to produce nuclear weapons.
2. USA doesn't need pro-Iran governments (China, Russia) to agree to massive sanctions if the deal is agreed to be broken by us. These sanctions would be just as rigorous as they were before the deal (and they are what caused the deal to be made)
3. Iran will only be able to enrich uranium to a low level and gave up 97% of its enriched uranium, its better uranium centrifuges, etc.
4. Inspections continue for 20 years.
5. With all of these inspections, it should be very difficult for Iran to get their hands on a nuclear weapon for 20 years.
6. Gas prices stay the same as trade from Iran is re-established.
Cons of the deal:
1. We are giving Iran money back by quitting sanctions that they will likely use to destabilize the region to further their proxy wars on Saudi Arabia and Israel. Essentially they can use the extra money to help their economy or support terrorism
2. Iran is still against us in Syria
3. It takes 35 days or so for the security council to respond to violations.
4. The deal does nothing to prevent other types of missiles from being tested (one main reason for why Trump does not think Iran is following the deal)
5. Iran still hates the West
6. Iran appears better internationally and is legitimized - i.e. they don't look crazy any more like North Korea
7. If we break the deal, we look unreliable to future/current nuclear crazed powers (i.e. North Korea)
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<B><I>The Artist Formally Known as <P>Ventura's St
We can have the Iran deal and not trust them at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive. Other than maybe Obama and Kerry, I don't think anyone trusts Iran.
The deal is to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons (and it has been successful), not from acting against our interests which I think we all fully expect them to do.
At this point, I think the cat is out of the bag. Even if we sanctioned Iran again, they likely have stockpiles of money saved up to plan for it and immediately begin their nuclear program, especially after all of the threats.
Runnin
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That's a very radical and Anglo-centric view.
The United States, with it's aggressive, knee-jerk foreign policy is by far the world's biggest threat.
What a pathetic take. Just embarassing.