2018 Offseason And Targets

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If Bumgarner is healthy and the Giants want to give him up for Allard/Wentz/Muller, the Braves should be all over that. Allard is a 45/50 ($15M-$20M), Wentz is a low 50 (~$20M), and Muller is a 45 ($10M-$15M).

A healthy Bumgarner for 1 year at $12M is worth waaaay more than that. A questionable Bumgarner at $12M is still worth more than that.

Kiley seems to be consistently undervaluing MLB assets by a good amount when he discusses these trade scenarios. He is letting his bias towards prospects skew his calculus. FG is sorely missing Dave Cameron.
 
Enscheff said:
Kiley seems to be consistently undervaluing MLB assets by a good amount when he discusses these trade scenarios. He is letting his bias towards prospects skew his calculus. FG is sorely missing Dave Cameron.
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Heh, your reply about this on the comments section didn’t seem too popular.
 
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Why is everyone so willing to trade Newk? He is the kind of pitcher that can get hot and dominate in the playoffs. Isnt that what we need?
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I don't think anyone's advocating that AA give him away, but if including him in a deal nets you a legitimate corner OF that can hit behind Freddie you do it because that's the bigger need. We can replace Newk's production from within with Touki/Soroka/Wright/possibly even Gohara or Fried or even potentially bringing Sanchez back. If Arizona valued him highly enough that he could be the centerpiece in a Peralta deal, you jump at that chance.

Newk may very well turn into a front of the rotation guy eventually, but it may take several years to happen because he appears to be following the same development curve Folty did. Waiting on Folty to make the strides he has wasn't a problem because the Braves were rebuilding. They don't have that luxury with Newk because the competition window is opening. If he's going to show flashes of dominance at times but ultimately pitch like a #3 or #4 SP and can be used to upgrade the team elsewhere, you just can't afford to wait on him - the Braves have plenty of options to fill whatever hole might be created if he was dealt.

If they could count on him to be the Pitcher he was in May and June from Day 1, things might be different - I'm just not so sure he'll consistently be that guy for another few years, if he ever is at all.
 
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Carp said:
Combined I'm pretty sure we were like 3rd of 4th in league among catcher WAR. Catcher is absolutely not a need if all we do is bring Zuk back.
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Maybe true but Zuk and Flowers may not hit like that again and we have a lot of easy outs in the lineup as is.

If Realmuto is attainable, AA should go for him.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
Heh, your reply about this on the comments section didn’t seem too popular.
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Yes, fanbois will defend their guy no matter what. The same folks undoubtedly loved Cameron, and his method of assigning surplus value is the exact one I use today because it has proven to be accurate time and time again for years.

Unfortunately, FG has made a concerted effort to hire more fluff writers in order to draw in a larger casual readership. The content quality has gone down dramatically, and the overall knowledge of the readers as a whole has decreased accordingly.

It's a shame because anyone who knows how to value MLB assets understands Goldy carries more than $16M in surplus value. That value is ludicrously incorrect...by about half.
 
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Perfect Cell said:
JT aint that young. Why invest assests and $$ on the least durable position?
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There is zero non-anecdotal evidence that catchers age any faster than any other position.

Even if someone insists on relying upon anecdotal evidence, the 2 most recent 5 year catcher contracts that are nearing an end (Mac and Martin) both aged exactly as projected when the contracts were signed.
 
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Heyward said:
Maybe true but Zuk and Flowers may not hit like that again and we have a lot of easy outs in the lineup as is.

If Realmuto is attainable, AA should go for him.
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Using our prospect currency to obtain a someone who plays <140 games a year is a terrible idea. Especially when there are quality options available to us already.

We don't have several easy outs. We were basically above average at every position offensively in 2018
 
Carp said:
Using our prospect currency to obtain a someone who plays <140 games a year is a terrible idea. Especially when there are quality options available to us already.

We don't have several easy outs. We were basically above average at every position offensively in 2018
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Why does the amount of games played matter when his value is still going to be really good? Not that I'm advocating trading what it would take but it's clear JT would really help the club.
 
Carp said:
Using our prospect currency to obtain a someone who plays <140 games a year is a terrible idea. Especially when there are quality options available to us already.

We don't have several easy outs. We were basically above average at every position offensively in 2018
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We should be building a team for the playoffs not the regular season. Realmuto would start every playoff game.
 
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