Neverending **** the Police thread.

thethe said:
WAPO tracked the data. 10 unarmed blacks were shot by cops last year in a country of 40+ million black people. And if you review those cases half were the assailant attacking the cops. A couple cops were charged in a few of the remaining.

So not a study per se but just a raw data dump.

This is rhe lowest since WAPO tracked it since 2015.
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Okay. Cool. Thank you.
 
Dalyn said:
So. Okay. Then it is still understandable for them to to have a reaction like this and protest, right? These are people who have suffered under this kind of thing their whole life, and even if it trends downward for a few years, they can't let down their guard. How can they? Things have trended downward before and skyrocketed. And there is still a measurable bias on regular stops, and every single time these people are stopped, they are terrified. It is pure terrorism for minorities.
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I cant speak to how minorities feel so I'm not even going to try but I acxept that some may feel that way.

The progress made needs to be looked over longer periods of time.

The love of my life told me yesterday that Tim Robbins has said the following.

"People overestimate what they can accomplish in a year and underestimate what they do in 10".

Such an amazing quote.

If you look at the progress made for blacks over the last 5 years it doesnt feel like enough. But on a longer trendline its been nothing short of remarkable and there is still a lot to accomplish and it will be accomplished.
 
thethe said:
I cant speak to how minorities feel so I'm not even going to try but I acxept that some may feel that way.

The progress made needs to be looked over longer periods of time.

The love of my life told me yesterday that Tim Robbins has said the following.

"People overestimate what they can accomplish in a year and underestimate what they do in 10".

Such an amazing quote.

If you look at the progress made for blacks over the last 5 years it doesnt feel like enough. But on a longer trendline its been nothing short of remarkable and there is still a lot to accomplish and it will be accomplished.
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So things are trending to a more positive future. That's wonderful. Many see that as a positive outcome of finally having a voice and using it, and they are not going to stop using their voice now that they have. Why would they? If they do, all this progress would likely be lost. And it is going to take a long time, like you said, before many feel the progress that is being made. You don't spend decades in an abusive relationship and stop flinching when they make a sudden move because they haven't hit you in a year or two. You just don't. Trust me.
 
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...-files-hundreds-of-officers-committed-serious




Here is a good article from Buzzfeed about how cops classify crimes as workplace violations so they can hide them from the public to escape real accountability. Everything from assaults to rapes have been covered up as workplace violations. This is a blatant and obvious Brady violation as it is exculpatory evidence if the witness against you raped people, fixed tickets, or otherwise showed to not be a trustworthy person.



Generally you can have a Judge view these records and decide if anything is relevant but they are often biased in favor of the cop. I recall one case where a prison guard had previously been caught manufacturing evidence previously. The judge saw that and ruled it was not relevant. Years later when this same guard is a witness he rules that it is relevant and releases the information to the defense. Then after this comes out every attornetly in every previous case gets all convictions overturned due to a Brady violation. And no one was held responsible.
 
Dalyn said:
You can't really believe it looked like he "just" tripped. The one officer reaches around the other to push him backward. He stumbles back a couple steps and falls. What happens after that is almost as bad. **spoiler** They ignore him and step over him, and the one officer who seems to have a moment of humanity is grabbed by another officer and stopped from helping. NONE of the police help. One of the National Guard finally does.
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I was mocking the statement the BPD released. It's a terrible video and a perfect example of bad policing.
 
Metaphysicist said:
weso, I apologize for misreading who you are speaking about. This thread, which is supposed to be about cops, has been bizarrely focused on the bad actors among the protesters rather than the actual issues. I guess that bled into my reading of your comments.



I do think you are misunderstanding my comment there, though. I think you are probably more in favor of positive solutions than a number of the cretins in this thread, but I think my own vision of what justice should look like is past that. The good solutions (strong PDs, emphasis on mental health) you suggest are good, but they aren't enough. But I am in favor of them and I am glad you are too. I just think many proposed "reforms," including the things you listed, are only set dressing. Non-lethal weapons, for instance, have not curtailed the use of force, but have in some case increased it. The problem runs deeper; the problem is the very role we give police and the way we refuse to address the racial history that has organized our society. Changing the means of policing won't do much if you don't also invest in education and providing economic opportunity. These things are all connected. We don't just need reforms; we need paradigm shifts.

Some of your suggestions (e.g., privatizing police, AI dispensed justice) are, frankly, frightening. So, uh, I at least disagree with those.
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No reason to apologize, but I appreciated the gesture.
 
thethe said:
I cant speak to how minorities feel so I'm not even going to try but I acxept that some may feel that way.

The progress made needs to be looked over longer periods of time.

The love of my life told me yesterday that Tim Robbins has said the following.

"People overestimate what they can accomplish in a year and underestimate what they do in 10".

Such an amazing quote.

If you look at the progress made for blacks over the last 5 years it doesnt feel like enough. But on a longer trendline its been nothing short of remarkable and there is still a lot to accomplish and it will be accomplished.
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What's been accomplished in the last 5 years? I cant pinpoint any moment exactly where things started to get better but through atleast 95 we were actively making it worse. What's provided the most change is the amount of cameras everywhere. Previously there were cameras but cops controlled most of it. I recall one case where they tased a white guy in the balls till he died. They lied to the parents about what happened and only released the video after the statute of limitations ran out. Now that anyone can record and publicly post a video to millions it's much harder for police to cover up.
 
thethe said:
WAPO tracked the data. 10 unarmed blacks were shot by cops last year in a country of 40+ million black people. And if you review those cases half were the assailant attacking the cops. A couple cops were charged in a few of the remaining.

So not a study per se but just a raw data dump.

This is rhe lowest since WAPO tracked it since 2015.
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Yeah that stat is bullcrap. Maybe 10 unarmed black people were shot to death last year. That sounds more accurate. That's a narrow scope though. Thats like taking the stat of how many black people shot and killed a cop last year to prove black people arent violent. Its going to be misleading because it doesnt include shot and missed. Attacks and murders with other weapons, or cops shot who did not die.
 
This is why I mock people's virtue signaling when it comes to violence against women.... or really anyone. Most of you do not understand that this is what you have been covering for. If you voted for Democrats or Republicans you got what you voted for. What's the definition insanity again. If you want this fixed vote for anyone but the Republicrats.
 
Why is it that we dont approach crime by cops like we do crime by everyone else. Cops have long advocated that tougher sentences prevent crime. So let's add laws that add tougher sentences to cops who murder. 10 years for murder is no ones idea of justice.
 
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I'm glad Kelly and Mattis are speaking out on this. There is a nightmare scenario out there that I think those two are worried about.


Also nice to see Kelly and Mooch have reconciled.
 
nsacpi said:
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I'm glad Kelly and Mattis are speaking out on this. There is a nightmare scenario out there that I think those two are worried about.


Also nice to see Kelly and Mooch have reconciled.
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Never trump cult is sp cute and pathetic at the same time


Get out of the way of progress losers.
 
Park police seem to be backtracking now... I'll note that the headline is a little misleading for the purpose of the article

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