Neck is out

[thethe]

Doesn't that just completely substantiate that this is the greatest country in the world? Several countries are worse.

Want to talk about the numbers in China? Japan?

This stuff doesn't need to be political - we're doing a bad job as a whole.

The testing companies butchered things in several MLB camps this weekend. Players see that and it makes them uneasy. More and more are going to start opting out - call it an abundance of caution, call them Democrats, call them traitors - whatever you'd like. Last time I checked, looking out for oneself above all others was a Republican mantra. "America First", right?

Oh - I am supportive of anyone that wants to make a decision in their best interests. What I don't want is media pressure to cancel the season for a virus that we have a reliable treatment for that reduced mortality by more than 50%. We just need the media to inform the public that its available and dirt cheap.

But, the original point was that some uninformed leftist responded to European soccer teams playing because TRUMP (NPC TALK!!) bungled the US response. That completely ignores that some of those European nations did an even worse job.

 

[thethe]

Ah - you mean all this great private-sector testing?

Testing is almost irrelevant with a virus this contagious.

Just protect over 65 citizens and take HCQ/Z-pac/Zinc if you are showing symptoms.

This isn't hard.

 

[CyYoung31]

Yep.

If you have to have a platoon partner, you're not any good

Wut

 

[Skeeter31]

Another shoe drops on the Braves. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some more follow him. Duvall seems like a no brainer to opt out with Type 1 Diabetes. We may actually have to burn a season of control with Pache if more opt out, which would be awful.

 

[thewupk]

Another shoe drops on the Braves. Wouldn’t be surprised to see some more follow him. Duvall seems like a no brainer to opt out with Type 1 Diabetes. We may actually have to burn a season of control with Pache if more opt out, which would be awful.

I would hope we could find someone for 7 days before we have to use Pache.

 

[Southcack77]

I haven't been paying attention to reporting and haven't seen it mentioned here: have there been changes in player control rules?

60 games is significantly less than a full year of control.

Also, will this year count against Rule V eligibility? I assume that it would, but didn't know if that was negotiated or not.

 

[thewupk]

I haven't been paying attention to reporting and haven't seen it mentioned here: have there been changes in player control rules?

60 games is significantly less than a full year of control.

Also, will this year count against Rule V eligibility? I assume that it would, but didn't know if that was negotiated or not.

Haven't heard of Rule V eligibility but service time will be prorated. So 7 days is all you need to gain an extra year of service.

 

[clvclv]

Haven't heard of Rule V eligibility but service time will be prorated. So 7 days is all you need to gain an extra year of service.

That's confirmed?

Hadn't seen that.

 

[clvclv]

Ryan Buchter on XM now talking about how lots of players are feeling more uneasy than we're hearing so far.

 

[clvclv]

Testing is almost irrelevant with a virus this contagious.

Just protect over 65 citizens and take HCQ/Z-pac/Zinc if you are showing symptoms.

This isn't hard.

If this is truly the case, we're in much worse shape than we want to admit.

 

[jpx7]

Media and the left is the answer to the question you're implying.

lol

 

[thewupk]

That's confirmed?

Hadn't seen that.

Yeah it came out when everything was finalized.

 

[OcalaBrave]

For what it is worth, Florida reopened Phase 1 May 18. At that time:

Tests per day: 24,620
New Cases per day7-day moving average) 780
Deaths per day7-day moving average) 38

Phase II began June 5. At that time:

Tests per day: 27,897
New Cases per day: 999
Deaths per day: 36

July 1's numbers:

Tests per day: 35,359
New Cases per day: 7,141
Deaths per day: 38

The numbers indicate absolutely no uptick in deaths on a 7 day average between the reopening and July 1. That's about 45 days for a disease that has a far shorter incubation period. In Florida there are now more cases per day, based upon more testing and a higher rate of positive tests in Florida, but thankfully, we aren't seeing an increase in deaths or a drastic upswing in hospitalizations. For comparison, Cuomo placed NY on lock down March 20. NY lost more than 48 people per day every day from March 24 - June 19. To date Florida (population 21.5 million) has seen a total of 3,778 CV-19 deaths. NY (population 19.4 million) has seen 32,362 CV-19 deaths. Clearly the answer to CV-19 isn't simply shutting down an economy. If it were, NY's numbers should be well ahead of Florida's. Adding insult to injury, latest estimates are NY has seen emigration of 500,000 middle income residents because of the shut down of the economy.

Georgia, who reopened first, has never reached 48 deaths per day peaking at 41 on June 15. The 7 day average of deaths has consistently fallen and as of July 1 stood at 19.

Perhaps you believe it is cold to see 48 deaths per day as something acceptable. In 2017, Florida lost about 130 people per day to heart disease and about that same number to cancer. Meanwhile, Florida has 8.5 million employees that rely on their jobs to support themselves and their families.

 

[thethe]

For what it is worth, Florida reopened Phase 1 May 18. At that time:

Tests per day: 24,620
New Cases per day7-day moving average) 780
Deaths per day7-day moving average) 38

Phase II began June 5. At that time:

Tests per day: 27,897
New Cases per day: 999
Deaths per day: 36

July 1's numbers:

Tests per day: 35,359
New Cases per day: 7,141
Deaths per day: 38

The numbers indicate absolutely no uptick in deaths on a 7 day average between the reopening and July 1. That's about 45 days for a disease that has a far shorter incubation period. In Florida there are now more cases per day, based upon more testing and a higher rate of positive tests in Florida, but thankfully, we aren't seeing an increase in deaths or a drastic upswing in hospitalizations. For comparison, Cuomo placed NY on lock down March 20. NY lost more than 48 people per day every day from March 24 - June 19. To date Florida (population 21.5 million) has seen a total of 3,778 CV-19 deaths. NY (population 19.4 million) has seen 32,362 CV-19 deaths. Clearly the answer to CV-19 isn't simply shutting down an economy. If it were, NY's numbers should be well ahead of Florida's. Adding insult to injury, latest estimates are NY has seen emigration of 500,000 middle income residents because of the shut down of the economy.

Georgia, who reopened first, has never reached 48 deaths per day peaking at 41 on June 15. The 7 day average of deaths has consistently fallen and as of July 1 stood at 19.

Perhaps you believe it is cold to see 48 deaths per day as something acceptable. In 2017, Florida lost about 130 people per day to heart disease and about that same number to cancer. Meanwhile, Florida has 8.5 million employees that rely on their jobs to support themselves and their families.

Common sense and reason don't work anymore

 

[NYCBrave]

For what it is worth, Florida reopened Phase 1 May 18. At that time:

Tests per day: 24,620
New Cases per day7-day moving average) 780
Deaths per day7-day moving average) 38

Phase II began June 5. At that time:

Tests per day: 27,897
New Cases per day: 999
Deaths per day: 36

July 1's numbers:

Tests per day: 35,359
New Cases per day: 7,141
Deaths per day: 38

The numbers indicate absolutely no uptick in deaths on a 7 day average between the reopening and July 1. That's about 45 days for a disease that has a far shorter incubation period. In Florida there are now more cases per day, based upon more testing and a higher rate of positive tests in Florida, but thankfully, we aren't seeing an increase in deaths or a drastic upswing in hospitalizations. For comparison, Cuomo placed NY on lock down March 20. NY lost more than 48 people per day every day from March 24 - June 19. To date Florida (population 21.5 million) has seen a total of 3,778 CV-19 deaths. NY (population 19.4 million) has seen 32,362 CV-19 deaths. Clearly the answer to CV-19 isn't simply shutting down an economy. If it were, NY's numbers should be well ahead of Florida's. Adding insult to injury, latest estimates are NY has seen emigration of 500,000 middle income residents because of the shut down of the economy.

Georgia, who reopened first, has never reached 48 deaths per day peaking at 41 on June 15. The 7 day average of deaths has consistently fallen and as of July 1 stood at 19.

Perhaps you believe it is cold to see 48 deaths per day as something acceptable. In 2017, Florida lost about 130 people per day to heart disease and about that same number to cancer. Meanwhile, Florida has 8.5 million employees that rely on their jobs to support themselves and their families.

It's extremely short sighted to compare New York and Florida. For starters, most of the deaths in New York came from New York City, with population 8.5 million. It's the most densely populated city in the US, and everyone is literally right on top of each other. Public transportation is the only option for most. Compared to a state like Florida where everything is extremely spread out and you do not need to be around people. How is that the same thing.

 

[NYCBrave]

It's extremely short sighted to compare New York and Florida. For starters, most of the deaths in New York came from New York City, with population 8.5 million. It's the most densely populated city in the US, and everyone is literally right on top of each other. Public transportation is the only option for most. Compared to a state like Florida where everything is extremely spread out and you do not need to be around people. How is that the same thing.

P.S. this thread should likely be locked and moved to a different forum.

 

[JohnAdcox]

Absolutely ridiculous. Other European nations have a much worse record.

Really? Source, please? Even Italy got it under control.

 

[clvclv]

That's confirmed?

Hadn't seen that.

Yet another reason we should see Pache and Waters this year.

Play Duvall/Culberson/Riley/Ozuna/Camargo/O'Brien out there the first two weeks then platoon Ender and Pache flanked by Acuna and Waters while Ozuna DHs.

 

[thethe]

Really? Source, please? Even Italy got it under control.

Deaths per million.

Italy, as well as many others, performed much more poorly than the US.

 

[OcalaBrave]

It's extremely short sighted to compare New York and Florida. For starters, most of the deaths in New York came from New York City, with population 8.5 million. It's the most densely populated city in the US, and everyone is literally right on top of each other. Public transportation is the only option for most. Compared to a state like Florida where everything is extremely spread out and you do not need to be around people. How is that the same thing.

Manhattan has 1.6 million people and has lost 3,105 so far. My roommate freshman year of college lives in Manhattan with his family. He was essentially trapped in his apartment for 65 days (he escaped to the Hamptons - tough life). I kept checking the deaths of individuals under 65 with no preexisting condition. At last check, probably a month ago, Manhattan had less than 25 deaths of individuals under 65 without a known preexisting condition as a result of CV-19. That number was less than the number of individuals shot to death in Manhattan during the same time period... I checked. Is it a legitimate use of police power to lock up a family of four (two girls 3 and 6) to protect them from the CV-19 threat? That likely should be moved to another thread. I believe there is ample evidence the massive death rate in NY is because Cuomo put positive cases in nursing homes believing free space in hospitals was imperative for the cases yet to come. They turned the convention center into a hospital and brought in red cross ships but the wave of hospitalizations anticipated by the experts never materialized. Meanwhile the virus ran through nursing homes housing the most at risk segments of the NY population. I'm not blaming Cuomo. He made a call based upon the information and expert opinions given to him. It likely was a bad call in hindsight. That could also likely go in another thread.

But the issue is not whether NY's lockdown was legitimate, or why is NY death rate so high, it is whether lock downs are the answer to CV-19. The comparison of NY to Florida is because one state lock down and stayed that way and the other reopened. If lock downs were the answer to CV-19, why is Florida's death rate low in comparison to other states that imposed lock downs? It could be the population density of NY as you suggest. Miami (while still one of the most densely populated areas in the US) has only half the population density of NYC (about 2.8 million people in Dade County and only 1,000 CV-19 deaths - 1/3 of Manhattan though it has more than 1 million more people). Still, if a lock down was the way to stop the spread of CV-19, when everyone is relegated to their homes (singing form their balconies and whatnot) the population density argument should be nullified unless homes being vertically integrated (high rise) instead of horizontally integrated (track), results in higher transmission. If that is the case, we should be seeing a "sick building" effect in NYC. We haven't heard of that to this point.


Why lock the thread and move it. The thread is about a player choosing not to play preemptively because of fear of CV-19. Discussion about the reasonableness of the players fear of reopening increasing CV-19 is relevant to the discussion.