REAL FOOTBALL Thread

CrimsonCowboy said:
To the Falcons fans, all I can say is ouch!
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Im glad it happened. Falcons are in a position to get a young guy who can step in immediately and impact the OL or DL and make the Falcons O or D much better. Falcons adding a DE and getting Bierman back will make their defense way better. People talk about the bummer of losing Abe, but I think losing BIerman is worse. His abilities let Abe pin his ears back.
 
Tapate50 said:
Ha. True.
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Looking at the board, odds are 2 of those guys will be gone, Only way the Falcons lose out on all 3 JMO is if someone trades up with the Raiders or Browns. Cause I think they'll both go QB. Hopefully one of them or both pulls an upset. i guess worst case scenario is they get Louis Nix or Greg Robertson, not bad comprimises. Though I'd say if those 3 are off the board I really hope Atlanta trades down into the teens. Down there they can get Vic Beasley or Khalil Mack who will be solid and add a 2 and maybe a 4. With that 2 they could then grab someone like Aaron Donald. Only consolation to losing out on Clowney/Barr and an OL in the second is Mack/Beasley, and a second round OL and DT.
 
Pretty terrible performance by the 49ers. Sure the "last game" at the stick had an eventful moment, but the fact that the 49ers were that close to losing is pathetic. I see a first round loss for us, no matter who we face. Needed a miracle pick six to beat one of the worst teams in the NFL....one of the worst outings I have seen in a few years.
 
zitothebrave said:
Gore could maybe get in on Emmitt Smith Standards where you stick around forever and pile stats on. Of course Smith was a better RB than Gore, Of the 2000s RBs (guys who played a healthy chunk of their career and rpime in the 2000s whcih I'd consider Gore a part of) the guys above Gore are

Tomlinson

Edge

Taylor

Dillon

Dunn

Lewis

Thomas Jones

Jackson

Tiki

George (he's really more of a tweener)

AP

RIcky Williams

Portis

Though Gore will for sure be past Portis at the end of this season.

Though there are guys who're well withing striking distance of Gore who could pass him as well you have to wathc for like MJD, Johnson, Lynch, Forte, and Rice. I think that Lynch and Rice are the biggest threats to overtaking Gore.
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What are you on about? Jones, Lewis, Dillon, Dunn, Barber, George and Portis were not better than Gore. Some of those guys aren't even close. Stephen Jackson has basically had the same career with slightly worse rushing and slightly better pass catching. Half of those guys had a couple huge years and the rest of their careers were mediocre. Barber was a slightly better runner but his fumbles alone make him a worse back. Gore's yards per carry is better than all those guys other than Peterson and Taylor. I don't think he's a HOF candidate but he's certainly better than most of that troll list.
 
From Darren Rovell. Oops..............
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I think Hageman will end up in the top 15 after scouts get his tape analyzed. I'd be fine with Mack as well. Recent draft guy said he is better than Barr right now.
 
Gore just now suprassed Portis in rushing yards....Took him 18 extra games. Gore averages 10 yards less per game....has 10 more tds in 18 less games.

I don't consider Portis HOF worthy....Gore shouldn't even be brought up.

Speaking of guys only having 1 great year.....thats Gore. He has 1 season over 1,214 yards rushing and that year he had over 300 carries.
 
ESP47 said:
What are you on about? Jones, Lewis, Dillon, Dunn, Barber, George and Portis were not better than Gore. Some of those guys aren't even close. Stephen Jackson has basically had the same career with slightly worse rushing and slightly better pass catching. Half of those guys had a couple huge years and the rest of their careers were mediocre. Barber was a slightly better runner but his fumbles alone make him a worse back. Gore's yards per carry is better than all those guys other than Peterson and Taylor. I don't think he's a HOF candidate but he's certainly better than most of that troll list.
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Check out their career rushing yards, maybe you'll educate yourself.

If Gore falls off next year, like Waters, Lewis, etc. who only had 10 seasons in the NFL that's where he'll end up. And that's not a HOF group. If he can play 2 more seasons and add another 2000 yards and 20 TDs then he'll basically be about where Edge is, and that will give him his best shot. Or if he stuck around for 4 years gained about 3000 yards and 20 TDs he'll be in Bettis teritory and have a decent shot.

And as far as yards per carry goes. Maybe you should educate yourselves on those guys careers, Fred Taylor's peak he averaged 4.7 Y/C, some of those guys aren't better than Gore (didn't say they were, just said Gore was behind them) So basically, you can choose to believe what you want as far as who like Gore mroe than, but voters will look at him compared to his peers. He'll likely wind up in the group behind Tomlinson, AP, Edge, MJD, Lynch, etc. Hell I don't think you can let Gore in before Ricky Watters (for who for what) gets in. In the end it will depend on how long Gore can play. If he ages like most RBs next year his numbers will take a dive and he'll be out of the NFL or playing for a bum team the following year (like McGahee) and then out shortly after that. If he bucks that trend, then he'll have a shot.

But look at the career of Edge, His 29 year old season (same season Gore is at) he had 1200 yards and a handful of TDs, the next 2 he had 600 and 2. Maybe he'll luck out and have a 10th season like Curtis Martin or a small handful of other great RBs. But even LT didn't do much in the NFL at 30. Gore is doing a lot at 30, and maybe he can do a lot at 31. But I woudln't bet money on it.
 
Tapate50 said:
I think Hageman will end up in the top 15 after scouts get his tape analyzed. I'd be fine with Mack as well. Recent draft guy said he is better than Barr right now.
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Getting those guys in the Teens wouldn't be the worst. Giants, Lions, Steelers, and Jets all could have a reason to move up to 6, DT, CB, WR, etc.
 
zitothebrave said:
Getting those guys in the Teens wouldn't be the worst. Giants, Lions, Steelers, and Jets all could have a reason to move up to 6, DT, CB, WR, etc.
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Went back and looked at the numbers for last nights game... Matt Ryan played GREAT. 348 yds two TDs and two fluke ints that weren't his fault( one Hail Mary/ tipped ball to bowman) but they happen.

Boy glad we got Trufant instead of Dee Milliner... What an awful rookie year for the top CB in his class...
 
zitothebrave said:
Check out their career rushing yards, maybe you'll educate yourself.

If Gore falls off next year, like Waters, Lewis, etc. who only had 10 seasons in the NFL that's where he'll end up. And that's not a HOF group. If he can play 2 more seasons and add another 2000 yards and 20 TDs then he'll basically be about where Edge is, and that will give him his best shot. Or if he stuck around for 4 years gained about 3000 yards and 20 TDs he'll be in Bettis teritory and have a decent shot.

And as far as yards per carry goes. Maybe you should educate yourselves on those guys careers, Fred Taylor's peak he averaged 4.7 Y/C, some of those guys aren't better than Gore (didn't say they were, just said Gore was behind them) So basically, you can choose to believe what you want as far as who like Gore mroe than, but voters will look at him compared to his peers. He'll likely wind up in the group behind Tomlinson, AP, Edge, MJD, Lynch, etc. Hell I don't think you can let Gore in before Ricky Watters (for who for what) gets in. In the end it will depend on how long Gore can play. If he ages like most RBs next year his numbers will take a dive and he'll be out of the NFL or playing for a bum team the following year (like McGahee) and then out shortly after that. If he bucks that trend, then he'll have a shot.

But look at the career of Edge, His 29 year old season (same season Gore is at) he had 1200 yards and a handful of TDs, the next 2 he had 600 and 2. Maybe he'll luck out and have a 10th season like Curtis Martin or a small handful of other great RBs. But even LT didn't do much in the NFL at 30. Gore is doing a lot at 30, and maybe he can do a lot at 31. But I woudln't bet money on it.
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Like I said, Gore isn't done yet and he's going to be at the same career rushing yards as those guys with less carries. If it takes you less work to do the same amount of work as another guy, that means you're a better worker.

Weren't you the one saying Trent Richardson was a good back with his 3 yards per carry earlier this season? If anyone needs to educate themselves, you need to educate yourself on why the amount of yards you gain doesn't mean anything if it takes you a million carries to get there.

Kind of like Portis. He was one of the best backs in the league when he was in Denver. But then again, they made stars out of no names for years there. Then he goes to Washington and puts up big total yardage numbers with low and mediocre averages. Just because they gave him the ball more than Gore, doesn't make him a better back. Gore's down years in his career are basically equal to Portis' best years in Washington. Only difference was Washington was stupid enough to keep handing him the ball off over and over to him even though he could barely average 4 yards a carry.
 
ESP47 said:
Like I said, Gore isn't done yet and he's going to be at the same career rushing yards as those guys with less carries. If it takes you less work to do the same amount of work as another guy, that means you're a better worker.

Weren't you the one saying Trent Richardson was a good back with his 3 yards per carry earlier this season? If anyone needs to educate themselves, you need to educate yourself on why the amount of yards you gain doesn't mean anything if it takes you a million carries to get there.

Kind of like Portis. He was one of the best backs in the league when he was in Denver. But then again, they made stars out of no names for years there. Then he goes to Washington and puts up big total yardage numbers with low and mediocre averages. Just because they gave him the ball more than Gore, doesn't make him a better back. Gore's down years in his career are basically equal to Portis' best years in Washington. Only difference was Washington was stupid enough to keep handing him the ball off over and over to him even though he could barely average 4 yards a carry.
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Gore may be done though. Again most RBs don't do anything after turning 30. Sure there are exceptions, and Gore could be that. But odds are this is his last productive year.

I said that 3 YPC isn't necessarily bad, there are more important stats than YPC. If it's 3rd and 20 and you run for 18 yards, that's nothing special. You didn't get a first down. You didn't extend a drive. Of course those stats aren't exclusively tracked so in the end the best thing you can go off of is TDs and total yards. And because someone had less carries doesn't make him special. You think they weigh that that heavily? Gore wasn't dominant, so they'll look at his total careers. Best case for him is to have a killer superbowl that's memorable.

So for example to hammer home my YPC point. This isn't updated so it could change (though I doubt too much) but Gore is 7th in the NFL in rushing yards but 17th in DYAR. Primarily because he has a poor success rate. Meaning he may be averaging 4.2 YPC but he's not getting them at the right time. And that is important. Hitting homers and packing on yards when it doesn't get you a 1st down and TD is worthless.

Hence why Y/R is a largely worthless stat. Chris Johnson is a great example as to why it's worthless. He's a homerun hitter and him busting 1 TD for 80 yards then having 20 yards on his subsequent 19 carries doesn't make him better than someone who gets 4 yards every time he touches a ball.
 
Didnt know Gore was under 10K for his career.

And yeah, once you turn 30, your career is nearly done for a RB.

IF he has 3 more elite years, then sure you can make the case but as it stands now.

He has a long way to go.
 
If he has 3 years like this year he'll get in. That will put him near Curtis Martin. But I can't imagine that happening. The odds are astronomical.
 
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