Looking Ahead - The 2020 Offseason Thread

Southcack77 said:
They're not gonna to spring for Springer.
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Don't think anyone realistically expects them to - trading for Gray wouldn't seem ideal either - doesn't mean it wouldn't make sense on different levels.

Production is production - if you happened to get All-Star levels of it from 1B, 2B, RF, LF, and C a chunk of the time, it's much easier to live with having a couple spots where production is a bit below-average. Ideally you construct a team with no holes, but AA doesn't appear to have the type of budget to do that.
 
Heyward said:
Phillies reportedly shopping Zach Wheeler, and even Harper per Olney.
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I don't see how they can realistically move those guys without sending a big check along with them. I suppose that can be somewhat mitigated by being willing to receive mid-tier prospects to simply reduce their financial woes, but given the size of the contracts (and length in the case of Harper), I can't see that many suitors willing to swallow all those dollars (After writing this sentence, I realized that I used the words "size," "length," and "swallow." I hope it gets past the censors.) Even if they do a complete teardown, they will likely be spending money to watch their former players play for their new teams.
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't see how they can realistically move those guys without sending a big check along with them. I suppose that can be somewhat mitigated by being willing to receive mid-tier prospects to simply reduce their financial woes, but given the size of the contracts (and length in the case of Harper), I can't see that many suitors willing to swallow all those dollars (After writing this sentence, I realized that I used the words "size," "length," and "swallow." I hope it gets past the censors.) Even if they do a complete teardown, they will likely be spending money to watch their former players play for their new teams.
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There should be many suitors for Wheelers, his contract is essentially 4/100, which is solid. Nola would be of a ton of interest. They’d likely need to eat half, or more, of Harper’s contract, right?
 
50PoundHead said:
I don't see how they can realistically move those guys without sending a big check along with them. I suppose that can be somewhat mitigated by being willing to receive mid-tier prospects to simply reduce their financial woes, but given the size of the contracts (and length in the case of Harper), I can't see that many suitors willing to swallow all those dollars (After writing this sentence, I realized that I used the words "size," "length," and "swallow." I hope it gets past the censors.) Even if they do a complete teardown, they will likely be spending money to watch their former players play for their new teams.
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Wheeler's contract isnt that bad honestly, they wouldnt need to eat much of it. Still a good pitcher and on a decent deal, as well as not being that old either. Dont see who would take on Harper, the AAV isnt bad, it's just so many years.
 
Way too many owners crying in their beer right now. Does not portend well for MLB nor the MLBPA. Phillies, Nats, Tigers, Angels, ROckies off the top of my head with ownership lacking knowledge/experience with baseball.
 
Heyward said:
Wheeler's contract isnt that bad honestly, they wouldnt need to eat much of it. Still a good pitcher and on a decent deal, as well as not being that old either. Dont see who would take on Harper, the AAV isnt bad, it's just so many years.
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It's not that bad, but there would likely be a balance in what they would receive back in plrayers and what they would be willing to send along in terms of dollars. Getting better players back would likely necessitate retaining a larger portion of responsibility for the existing contract. If the Phillies go fire sale mode, they won't be negotiating from a position of strength.
 
While the Braves being shielded by a huge corporate owner makes it appear like they won’t have to make the massive cuts we feared, it looks like there are legitimately several teams who lost enough money that they have to make serious cuts. The number of such teams looks to be significant enough that it should be depressing the entire FA/trade market. For example, Wheeler being available in a salary dump lowers the price on Bauer.

With that in mind, agents should be advising players not to accept crappy long term deals. Instead, guys just below the Bauer/Springer/JTR tier would probably be wise to punt 2021 and hope to cash in next year when teams are back to operating under normal financial circumstances.

All that to say AA would be wise to avoid any multi year deal since he should be able to snap up players just below the elite tier for 1 year contracts.
 
Enscheff said:
While the Braves being shielded by a huge corporate owner makes it appear like they won’t have to make the massive cuts we feared, it looks like there are legitimately several teams who lost enough money that they have to make serious cuts. The number of such teams looks to be significant enough that it should be depressing the entire FA/trade market. For example, Wheeler being available in a salary dump lowers the price on Bauer.

With that in mind, agents should be advising players not to accept crappy long term deals. Instead, guys just below the Bauer/Springer/JTR tier would probably be wise to punt 2021 and hope to cash in next year when teams are back to operating under normal financial circumstances.

All that to say AA would be wise to avoid any multi year deal since he should be able to snap up players just below the elite tier for 1 year contracts.
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Agree that the market is probably going to get wonkier than what was even anticipated. Makes me wonder if Anthopoulos jumped the gun on Morton and Smyly to some extent, but that's above my pay grade.
 
Slippyjms said:
Cutch could be an interesting target
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I don't think so at 20M for '21 and 15M or 3 M buy out in '22 for a now 34 year old.

Springer is 3 years younger and still covers all of the OF. for about the same money, '20 value=21M, projected to be in the range of 4 years and 90=100M.
 
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