REAL FOOTBALL Thread

I'm not giving Peyton a pass. I flat out said they weren't ready for Seattle and he's a big part of that, your idea of comparing Peyton to Kaepernick though I'll correct.
 
zitothebrave said:
I'm not giving Peyton a pass. I flat out said they weren't ready for Seattle and he's a big part of that, your idea of comparing Peyton to Kaepernick though I'll correct.
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Did Kaep not have worse weapons?

Did Kaep not play in Seattle where the noise was much worse?

I just want to know where you stand on these questions.
 
thethe said:
Did Kaep not have worse weapons?

Did Kaep not play in Seattle where the noise was much worse?

I just want to know where you stand on these questions.
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Kaepernick has great weapons, just because Peyton's 3 WR is way better doesn't make that big of a difference. SF has a better running game though and OL.

Noise is part for sure, but that doesn't explain the collapse in the 4th quarter. He was fine through 3, then just epic collapse.

Peyton played better, sure the stadium plays a part, but Seattle had more time to rest against Denver, they were coming off a heavy hitting game against New Orleans the week before San Fran.
 
zitothebrave said:
Kaepernick has great weapons, just because Peyton's 3 WR is way better doesn't make that big of a difference. SF has a better running game though and OL.

Noise is part for sure, but that doesn't explain the collapse in the 4th quarter. He was fine through 3, then just epic collapse.

Peyton played better, sure the stadium plays a part, but Seattle had more time to rest against Denver, they were coming off a heavy hitting game against New Orleans the week before San Fran.
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Without Kaeps rushing stats Denver had more rushing yards than the 49ers. Also, Denvers offensive line graded out to I believe the best in the game this year.
 
thethe said:
The offense kept putting the defense in horrible spots.
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Except Peyton wasn't the only one turning the ball over. He, obviously he contributed though. The safety was not his fault. Thomas' fumble was also not his fault. Moreno fumbling prior to Peyton's 1st int obviously put them a position where Seattle knew it was going to be a pass.
 
thethe said:
It was garbage time. He touched the football in the third quarter when they were down 29-0. After that it was all garbage time. The point is that Manning accumulated his "stats" when the game was decided. Every play Kaep made was with the game in the balance and he almost (doesn't count) beat Seattle in Seattle on a last minute drive. He was moving the ball in chunks against the team at that point as well.
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Kaep was also turning the ball over in chunks at that time as well.
 
thethe said:
Manning was skiddish all game. His feet were moving just like they used to move against New England back in the day. He missed Welker deep wide open on one play and I'm sure he missed other plays like every QB in the NFL does.

I just find it funny that people were making fun of Kaeps performance (rightfully so) and yet for some reason Manning is getting a pass on here when he played the same team on a neutral field with better weapons. But thats fine...we can continue the same narrative.
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No one is giving Peyton a pass. I have admitted he played terrible. But Kaep didn't play one inkling better. The difference in the niners and broncos games is basically the Denver defense not being able to hold the Seahawks when they needed to (and poor special teams for the Broncos)
 
thethe said:
Without Kaeps rushing stats Denver had more rushing yards than the 49ers. Also, Denvers offensive line graded out to I believe the best in the game this year.
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Hi randomly associating stats. I'm talking about on overall ability. Knowshawn is better than Gore, but the SF 2-3 are way better than Denver's. But Crabtree, Boldin, and Davis is at least as good if not better than Thomas, Welker and Thomas. Not too far off.

Denver had a sick offense all year, but the AFC was way weaker than the NFC. If PEyton played in the NFC West instead of the AFC West he wouldn't have set those records.
 
thethe said:
Did Kaep not have worse weapons?

Did Kaep not play in Seattle where the noise was much worse?

I just want to know where you stand on these questions.
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Did the Seahawks not have more time to prepare for Peyton?

Did the Niners not have much more experience playing against the Seahawks?

I thought Crabtree had the best hands since Rice and Boldin and Davis were beasts? Kaep had comparable weapons to Manning. Great running game, two great WR, and a great TE. Eric Decker is probably the difference in the two teams weapons. Whoop-ti-do.
 
Carp said:
Kaep was also turning the ball over in chunks at that time as well.
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Unfortuantely that is true. But he was able to actually score on Seattle when the game still mattered in Seattle with lesser weapons.

I just want to be fair here guys!
 
thethe said:
Without Kaeps rushing stats Denver had more rushing yards than the 49ers. Also, Denvers offensive line graded out to I believe the best in the game this year.
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It is but his quick release makes them better than they are.

Not horrendous but not the best in football either.

He didnt have many times where he could go past his first read, OL was getting dominated, and he always moves his feet or has happy feet.
 
He didnt play great, but i'd say his fault but looked like 2 defenders were in his face on the first pick.

Second pick was on 3rd down i believe and didnt have much time. The play before should of been a holding penalty that would of setup 1st and goal. Wouldnt of mattered most likely though.

Defense was ok, not great, not terrible.

Weapons wise, i agree with Zito but Gore > Moreno as a runner.
 
I'm a huge Knowshon fan. Gore is probably a better pure runner, but Knowshon is way more valuable in the passing game. Though part of me wonders if Gore's downside in receiving as of late has to do with Harbaugh and his calling for Gore, since Gore used to be a very good receiving RB though it could just be because he's old he isn't supposed to get too many touches.
 
thethe said:
Unfortuantely that is true. But he was able to actually score on Seattle when the game still mattered in Seattle with lesser weapons.

I just want to be fair here guys!
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With a little help from the Niners defense giving him good field position and keeping the Seahawks off the field. Lets be fair here. 1st Niners score was due to a turnover. And the Niners defense kept the Seahawks out of the endzone till nearly half time
 
[video=youtube;NEp4r2q9tTA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEp4r2q9tTA[/video]
 
Ummm....the hit was contact to a defenseless receiver's head. It doesnt matter if its a helmet or not.

The Dixon TD that was overruled on 3rd down was correctly overturned as well. Whoever made this is a bitter idiot...made it 4 minutes in...not worth anymore time.
 
GMAJAH25 said:
Ummm....the hit was contact to a defenseless receiver's head. It doesnt matter if its a helmet or not.

The Dixon TD that was overruled on 3rd down was correctly overturned as well. Whoever made this is a bitter idiot...made it 4 minutes in...not worth anymore time.
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I agree that the TD was correctly overuled and that this person is a tard but that fisrt hit was a legal hit. It was shoulder pad to shoulder pad.
 
Jesus that's a moronic video. Maybe he'll go back and make a similar one about last years NCFCG, or this years divisional round.I'm also sure someone with enough time could go about and make a video as a Seahawks fan that accomplishes the same thing. Holds are missed all the time. Blocks in the back on kickoffs are missed all the time. There was ample evidence to overturn the TD or they wouldn't have
 
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