The Biden Presidency

nsacpi said:
Just saying West Virginia's admission as a state violated the constitution. Wonder if Manchin is aware.
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You don't need to convince me, I'm the guy who thinks everything done to the seceding states after their secession was unconstitutional.
 
So if I "secede" tomorrow, does that put me and my house outside the reach of the constituted authorities?
 
Jaw said:
You don't need to convince me, I'm the guy who thinks everything done to the seceding states after their secession was unconstitutional.
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The constitution is a worthless piece of paper because the government gets to interpret it. They can do **** like tell a judge the constitution makes their job too hard so they need the judge to suspend it. Think I am kidding? Most Americans live in a constitution-free zone. Did you know cops can declare an area a constitution free zone? They declared the constitution not in effect in a park in Baltimore after Officer Suiter who was implicated in the gun trade task force terrorism case comitted suicide.




The constitution means whatever people want it to mean. They choose their belief then work backwards to justify it.
 
nsacpi said:
So if I "secede" tomorrow, does that put me and my house outside the reach of the constituted authorities?
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Are you the elected government of a sovereign state? Do you have a founding document that doesn't proclaim the right of the federal government to keep states against their will, and then specifically declares that any rights not declared as the federal government's remain with the states?

Cause if so, then yes.
 
cajunrevenge said:
The constitution is a worthless piece of paper because the government gets to interpret it. They can do **** like tell a judge the constitution makes their job too hard so they need the judge to suspend it. Think I am kidding? Most Americans live in a constitution-free zone. Did you know cops can declare an area a constitution free zone? They declared the constitution not in effect in a park in Baltimore after Officer Suiter who was implicated in the gun trade task force terrorism case comitted suicide.




The constitution means whatever people want it to mean. They choose their belief then work backwards to justify it.
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The Civil War is when that precedent was established.
Don't like losing your economically suppressed source of raw materials for your factories? Conquer them.

Don't like that the nearby newspapers think you're abusing and expanding your power? Shut them down.

Want to put a spin on all that for the yellow journalists, international community, and history books? "Free" the slaves in an area you don't control, while keeping those in your own territory chained.
 
The argument that secession was constitutional is probably better than the argument that it wasn't. My Constitutional Law professor was crazy liberal and clerked for a SCOTUS justice and even he admitted secession had the better argument.

Practically, the point of a bayonet made the argument academic.
 
Jaw said:
Are you the elected government of a sovereign state? Do you have a founding document that doesn't proclaim the right of the federal government to keep states against their will, and then specifically declares that any rights not declared as the federal government's remain with the states?

Cause if so, then yes.
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Yes. I elected myself to lead a sovereign state. I have a pdf of my founding document. It gives no rights to the federal government (or any other government for that matter) to suppress my secession.
 
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striker42 said:
The argument that secession was constitutional is probably better than the argument that it wasn't. My Constitutional Law professor was crazy liberal and clerked for a SCOTUS justice and even he admitted secession had the better argument.

Practically, the point of a bayonet made the argument academic.
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The Supreme Court recognizes that certain fundamental issues are resolved through the political process.

In 2006, radical leftist Antonin Scalia wrote that the Civil War settled the case that a state cannot secede from the union. But I disagree. This is why I seceded this morning. Wish me luck.
 
nsacpi said:
The Supreme Court recognizes that certain fundamental issues are resolved through the political process.

In 2006, radical leftist Antonin Scalia wrote that the Civil War settled the case that a state cannot secede from the union. But I disagree. This is why I seceded this morning. Wish me luck.
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Scalia is right. Academically, secession has strong arguments. States were intended to be sovereign. As such they should have been able to decide to leave the union.

The Civil War showed they really aren't sovereign. The Federal government essentially conquered the states and as such they're subordinated.

But we don't like to think in terms like conquering or subjugation even though it's what happened. So we kind of pretend states are still sovereign.
 
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Among the powers of Congress enumerated in the Constitution: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
 
Powers explicitly denied to the States by the Constitution: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation
 
There could be a legal secession process but it would entail a lot more than just stating that you had seceded. And it would rightly be very expensive for the seceding state.
 
Runnin said:
There could be a legal secession process but it would entail a lot more than just stating that you had seceded. And it would rightly be very expensive for the seceding state.
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It's like dissolving any partnership. You can try to do it in a unilateral way, but don't be surprised if you do something like that to receive some pushback from your former partner.
 
nsacpi said:
Among the powers of Congress enumerated in the Constitution: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
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Insurrection requires some attempt at taking over. The states made no effort to take control of the federal government, they only left.
 
Jaw said:
Insurrection requires some attempt at taking over. The states made no effort to take control of the federal government, they only left.
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He's not very good at understanding what an insurrection is.

It's what happens when you get all of your ideas from the dinosaur media
 
nsacpi said:
It's like dissolving any partnership. You can try to do it in a unilateral way, but don't be surprised if you do something like that to receive some pushback from your former partner.
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You've clearly enjoyed your role of playing troll lately, but this one is too far of a stretch for you. The ingredients for what you're trying to cook just aren't in the pantry.
 
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