Official 2022 Offseason Moves Thread

Hunter renfroe is on the miss state baseball broadcast. He's had some interesting info. He said Red Sox would give Cora a list of who should play, but Cora had the final say. He said the rays gave cash a list of who to play/pitch that day, and it wasn't a suggestion.
 
Enscheff said:
This sense of pride folks take in their team of choice always makes me chuckle. It is very odd to be proud of something you contributed nothing towards.

Like...go have your own success and be proud of that.
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That's a very simplistic take on it. Sports are inherently emotional. Some of the greatest moments in American history are sports moments. It's only natural to get emotional invested in it. I mean 99% of the reason people watch the Olympics is national pride for goodness sakes.

Taking pride in something you've invested in emotionally (and sometimes financially) certainly doesn't seem silly to me.
 
Yes, puff out your chest because someone else hit a HR. To each their own I suppose.

Aside from exceptional situations where sports represent something bigger, it’s an odd flex to feel pride in someone else’s achievements. But if that’s what you’re into I can see why reminiscing about those achievements of others might be attractive.
 
Enscheff said:
Yes, puff out your chest because someone else hit a HR. To each their own I suppose.

Aside from exceptional situations where sports represent something bigger, it’s an odd flex to feel pride in someone else’s achievements. But if that’s what you’re into I can see why reminiscing about those achievements of others might be attractive.
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This is actually what annoys me the most about sports fans. Those who brag or try to shame others because of the sports team they happen to root for. Unfortunately I see a lot of that here in NYC with Yankees fans.
 
Enscheff said:
If Pham is really looking for a 1 year deal he may be the ideal option for LF.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/02/tommy-pham-open-to-playing-first-base.html

Expected stats suggest he should have been close to an .800 OPS hitter last year, which is in line with his career numbers. All the projections agree he is a good candidate for a bounce back season in 2022.
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I wonder if he isn't even more ideal since he'd give you a chance to have a semi-platoon and ease Waters into the OF mix against some RHPs. Duvall could play RF exclusively (if needed) until Acuna's completely ready and Waters could share CF duties with Pache and Heredia. If Pache and Waters show that they would be able to hold down CF during camp - at least until Acuna's back full-time - Heredia becomes expendable and the money saved by releasing him can go towards the Freeman extension. You'd then have your elite defense in CF whenever you need it with Duvall sliding to LF and Pache/Waters entering in the late innings for defense once Acuna's all the way back up to speed.
 
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As a really cheap option, Pham would be decent. But I don't hold out much hope that he rebounds very well if at all. He is about to turn 34 in a few days. EV and hard hit% were the 2nd lowest of his career. But he's probably done as an everyday player.
 
Interesting perspective, Enscheff. I honestly find it hard to watch sports when I don't have an emotional investment.

I find soccer to be a really interesting sport, and I'm fascinated by the culture around the EPL- I'll check the standings and follow who might get promoted/relegated, but I almost never watch games because I'm just not invested in the outcomes. Similar for the NBA and NFL- as someone who worked in college basketball and football, I can appreciate that the NBA and NFL are the pinnacle of talent and those guys just do incredible things on a nightly basis, but I rarely watch entire games because I don't really care about the outcome other than guys that I know doing well.

I love baseball. I love the strategy of it. I admire the talent of the players. I love how every moment and every pitch influences the next. I watch a vast majority of Braves games because I am a fan and like when they win. But you won't find me watching a random Rays-Astros game on a Tuesday just because its two good teams playing- I can think of about 1,000 better things to be doing.

That said, put me somewhere in the middle on the 'flags fly forever' vs. 'go all in' mentalities. To me, neither extreme makes a ton of sense when there is plenty of room to maneuver in the middle.
 
I also only watch the Braves, and I want them to win. I am entertained by watching a team I have an emotional investment in.

However, I’m able to understand that my entertainment comes from the fact they are a good team playing meaningful games, not from actually winning the games. Therefore, the more meaningful games I get to watch, the more entertainment I derive from the Braves.

My life is quite literally is better due to being entertained by Braves baseball. My life is not improved in any way if they win…only that they give me something to cheer. So the more I get to cheer them on, the happier I am.
 
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Enscheff said:
I also only watch the Braves, and I want them to win. I am entertained by watching a team I have an emotional investment in.

However, I’m able to understand that my entertainment comes from the fact they are a good team playing meaningful games, not from actually winning the games. Therefore, the more meaningful games I get to watch, the more entertainment I derive from the Braves.

My life is quite literally is better due to being entertained by Braves baseball. My life is not improved in any way if they win…only that they give me something to cheer. So the more I get to cheer them on, the happier I am.
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So two scenarios. In both, the Braves are generally viewed as a well run organization and have some exciting players.

1) The Braves make the World Series every year for ten consecutive years. They get swept in all ten- losing 40 straight World Series games, all by one run.
2) The Braves make the playoffs in 6 of 10 years. The four years they miss out are largely rebuilding years where they aren't in contention but have an exciting wave of young prospects. In the 6 playoff years, they go to two World Series and they win one of them.

I would prefer option two, but I assume you would prefer option one?
 
McCann'sCans said:
So two scenarios. In both, the Braves are generally viewed as a well run organization and have some exciting players.

1) The Braves make the World Series every year for ten consecutive years. They get swept in all ten- losing 40 straight World Series games, all by one run.
2) The Braves make the playoffs in 6 of 10 years. The four years they miss out are largely rebuilding years where they aren't in contention but have an exciting wave of young prospects. In the 6 playoff years, they go to two World Series and they win one of them.

I would prefer option two, but I assume you would prefer option one?
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The problem I see with what you're suggesting is that in reality the odds of winning a World Series are greater with more playoff appearances. As 2021 showed us, any team that gets to the postseason has a chance to win it all. There is no way to really plan to be good enough to get to the playoffs but not win the whole thing.

The objective is to be as good as possible as often as possible. The more the team gets to the postseason, the more titles they should win. It's a game of attrition in that respect. Any wins the team gains through short term thinking this year are offset with future losses. One of those losses could be the difference between getting to the playoffs and staying home, which could easily mean a lost World Series title.
 
What are the consensus thoughts on us not giving Freddie an unfavorable deal, trading for Olson and then signing another big bat ?
Like a FA shortstop just maybe?
 
McCann'sCans said:
So two scenarios. In both, the Braves are generally viewed as a well run organization and have some exciting players.

1) The Braves make the World Series every year for ten consecutive years. They get swept in all ten- losing 40 straight World Series games, all by one run.
2) The Braves make the playoffs in 6 of 10 years. The four years they miss out are largely rebuilding years where they aren't in contention but have an exciting wave of young prospects. In the 6 playoff years, they go to two World Series and they win one of them.

I would prefer option two, but I assume you would prefer option one?
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Setting aside the fact this isn't a balanced hypothetical at all (you've picked the Rays/As model vs the absolute worst case gut wrenching way to torture a fan), I would have to pick option 2.

It's not a balanced hypothetical because that's not the scenario we are talking about. We are talking about the consistent winner model vs the current Nats model (or the "all in" model folks blabber on about), where they have no young exciting players outside Soto, and will probably not be competitive for 3+ years. There is literally no point in watching Nats baseball right now...but hey, they went all in and won that WS title.
 
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Hulavol said:
What are the consensus thoughts on us not giving Freddie an unfavorable deal, trading for Olson and then signing another big bat ?
Like a FA shortstop just maybe?
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JMO but I think our trade chips are so bad that an Olson deal is impossible considering where other teams stand. Signing Freddie to a financially crippling deal could send the death notice to Braves fans 2023 and later. Have to remember that Duvall and Swanson are FA next year, Morton and Smith as well. All will have to be replaced and probably from outside.
 
Enscheff said:
Setting aside the fact this isn't a balanced hypothetical at all (you've picked the Rays/As model vs the absolute worst case gut wrenching way to torture a fan), I would have to pick option 2.

It's not a balanced hypothetical because that's not the scenario we are talking about. We are talking about the consistent winner model vs the current Nats model (or the "all in" model folks blabber on about), where they have no young exciting players outside Soto, and will probably not be competitive for 3+ years. There is literally no point in watching Nats baseball right now...but hey, they went all in and won that WS title.
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Right, its not a balanced hypothetical, but it shows that winning does in fact add value to your fan experience.

Obviously everyone would rather be a consistent winner than anything else, but that isn't much more of a reality than my hypothetical. Barring rare exceptions where you have a built in competitive advantage (ex: you can spend orders of magnitude more than everyone else) it is borderline impossible in professional sports to just be a consistent winner forever. Injuries happen. Some players regress faster than we think. Windows don't last forever- even in the best managed situations. If the Nats spend the next three years rebuilding and then are contenders again, I don't think anyone in their fan base is going to complain. The real question here is less about consistent winner vs. "all in" (which almost never happens in actuality) and its more about avoiding the stupid decisions that make you a consistent loser for a decade at a time- that is ultimately what will ruin the fan experience. I fully expect and accept that the Braves will rebuild again at some point, and I'm hopeful that it is as efficient and effective as it was the last time.
 
Hulavol said:
I would think it would definitely be a better baseball outcome..... it would hurt our farm, but we’d be a much better team in 2022 - if we add that extra bat.
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I think you are probably looking at a Schwarber\Bryant FA deal as long as first rounders don't get taken away. They likely would get 3-4 years.
 
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