Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

Biggest increases in life expectancy 2010-2018

Florida (1.2 years)
California (1.1)
New York (1.1)
Alaska (1.0)
Nevada (0.9)
Hawaii (0.9)
 
Highest life expectancy as of 2019

Hawaii (82.3)
California (81.7)
New York ((81.4)
Connecticut (80.9)
Minnesota (80.9)

Lowest

West Virginia (74.8)
Mississippi (74.9)
Alabama (75.5)
Kentucky (75.6)
Tennessee (76.0)
Oklahoma (76.0)
Arkansas (76.0)
 
nsacpi said:
so called death's of despair (alcoholism, drugs and suicide) have mostly risen for middle-age white working class people...which is why the biggest declines in American life expectancy since 2010 have been in states like West Virginia, Ohio (I suspect most pronounced in the part of Ohio in Appalachia), and also some rural New England states that are overwhelmingly white

When declines in life expectancy are concentrated in a particular group, it is not a moral failing on that group's part. In the case of middle-aged white working class men it reflects economic trends that have hit that group particularly hard and also social phenomena such as the opioid epidemic

biggest declines in life expectancy 2010 to 2018

West Virginia (0.7 years)
Ohio (0.7)
New Hampshire (0.6)
Indiana (0.4)
Maine (0.4)
South Dakota (0.4)
Vermont (0.3)
Kentucky (0.3)

It is very unusual for life expectancy to decline like this outside of war and pandemics.
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I recognize you are an academic and incapable of thinking beyond your cocktail party bubble...

but it doesn't surprise me that the group of people who have felt the need to dive into a bottle more over the years, is the group that has been 24/7 demonized by their own government. Over past few years, the democratic party has told them they are deplorable, the cause of all racial issues in this country, and that their careers are actively killing the planet and humans and need to learn to code

(this is the part when you mock this sentiment and bring up HEV)
 
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I recognize you are an academic and incapable of thinking beyond your cocktail party bubble...

but it doesn't surprise me that the group of people who have felt the need to dive into a bottle more over the years, is the group that has been 24/7 demonized by their own government. Over past few years, the democratic party has told them they are deplorable, the cause of all racial issues in this country, and that their careers are actively killing the planet and humans and need to learn to code

(this is the part when you mock this sentiment and bring up HEV)
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my preferred move at this point is to note that those who are big believers in the doctrine of individual responsibility appear to believe in it only a selective basis

i otoh believe both in individual responsibility and a helping hand...so I'm happy to consider the possibility the rest of society can do something on behalf of those falling victim to such despair

i would not suggest incarceration as a policy response for example for people who are abusing opioids and alcohol to the point of killing themselves...there is no simple solution...but using state power to "make them stop" doesn't seem like the right thing to do...they are our brothers and sisters and should be treated with compassion and dignity...many of them can turn their lives around with some support and encouragement and well-directed social services...i would even go so far as to agree with you that part of the solution might be to stop demonizing them...demonizing any vulnerable group strikes me as a failing both personal and societal

and i was careful to note that this drop in life expectancy does not reflect some sort of moral failing on the part of any particular demographic group
 
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I am of a mind that people that find addiction and prone to substance abuse would be same whether HRC said the word deplorable or not.
 
Why ?

Let me offer Peach Tree Dish Marge or Joe Rogan.
Or how about Elite Ted Cruz

They lost their jobs too the greed of the fossil fuel industry and were victims of Koch etc profit margins

The reason they feel marginalized and picked on is because of the Trumps of the world that have told them it is the "other" that has caused their problems.

Curious, did you think HRC was talking about you?
I am certain of few things but feel pretty certain half of the people here took it Uber personal.
And rightfully so.
I too find many if not most here deplorable

Snow flakes?
You are too kind.
 
Because I believe people of free will decide whether they walk through life with humility and compassion or walk through life as entitled pricks.
Based on nothing more than the genitals and skin color they were born to.

Substance abuse and mental health are a tad more complicated
 
Yes the same people who want folks in jail for misgendering a lunatic are saying they are fine with labeling their political opponents as deplorable

Weird how they also wanna disarm those us too
 
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nsacpi said:
my preferred move at this point is to note that those who are big believers in the doctrine of individual responsibility appear to believe in it only a selective basis

i otoh believe both in individual responsibility and a helping hand...so I'm happy to consider the possibility the rest of society can do something on behalf of those falling victim to such despair

i would not suggest incarceration as a policy response for example for people who are abusing opioids and alcohol to the point of killing themselves...there is no simple solution...but using state power to "make them stop" doesn't seem like the right thing to do...they are our brothers and sisters and should be treated with compassion and dignity...many of them can turn their lives around with some support and encouragement and well-directed social services...i would even go so far as to agree with you that part of the solution might be to stop demonizing them...demonizing any vulnerable group strikes me as a failing both personal and societal

and i was careful to note that this drop in life expectancy does not reflect some sort of moral failing on the part of any particular demographic group
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You posted some data with a recent trend that is abnormal.

I offer a potential explanation. I did not make any judgement as to personal responsibility or victim good or whatever.

For the last few years, white men have been cast as the oppressive problem to all problems in the world.

If it were it my advice, I'd tell those to white men who have found solace in the bottle to mock the "expert class" and academics like yourself who have set their reputation on fire over the last decade or so. Being on the opposite of them has been a winning formula, not one for sadness. Men are the solution, not the problem, to our collapsing society

I will enjoy my steaks, invest in fossil fuel projects, vote against the communists, buy more ammunition, and continue to risk my life for the upcoming summer of death that my lack of vaccine is ensuring.
 
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You regularly attempt to insult and call people stupid and show absolutely no understanding of any one born with lesser options than yourself yet the word " deplorable" hits a nerve.
You are a hoot.

People do not turn to drugs and alcohol because a political figure defines them correctly.
I thought people of your ilk wore that term as badge of honor.

What do you actually wish to accomplish with your arsenal besides soil your drawers if ever in a situation
You would be totally unprepared for?
Just another keyboard warrior
 
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You regularly attempt to insult and call people stupid and show absolutely no understanding of any one born with lesser options than yourself yet the word " deplorable" hits a nerve.
You are a hoot.

People do not turn to drugs and alcohol because a political figure defines them correctly.
I thought people of your ilk wore that term as badge of honor.

What do you actually wish to accomplish with your arsenal besides soil your drawers if ever in a situation
You would be totally unprepared for?
Just another keyboard warrior
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Deplorable hits no nerve of mine. If you and the seals refer to me that way, a better honor I couldn't ask for.

Just making you aware that you communist leaders telling everyone they don't like - including children - is a playbook that has been run before and the results are quite bad.

Don't get mad when you get pushed back, and boy is that is push back coming
 
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Watching the communists destroy these states is sad, but it has to be done for us to move forward.

Need to burn before can be rebuilt. They will do it, like they always do

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nsacpi said:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/13/cal...historic-97point5-billion-budget-surplus.html

I think this is a tell too. Tax revenues have been very strong. Obviously the reliance on tax revenues from capital gains (and in particular IPOs) will bite somewhere down the line. But a budget surplus of almost $100 billion is something every other state would kill for.
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Newsom unveiled a revised budget plan of just over $300 billion for the next fiscal year, the highest in state history and fueled by surging tax revenues. The state has collected $55 billion more in taxes than officials expected in January, leaving it with an estimated $97.5 billion surplus.

That means Newsom, a Democrat, has tens of billions of dollars more to spend on new and existing initiatives as he seeks re-election in the fall. He plans additional spending to tackle the ongoing drought, to help more women get abortions in California and to offset rising costs of food, gas and other goods due to inflation.


Interesting. A chance to spend more. And what more noble cause than to make it cheaper to kill the unborn in the womb, I ask you?

Meanwhile, I got my $500 budget surplus refund check from the state of Georgia last week. I know it's heartbreaking to think of the missed opportunity to use my money to buy crack pipe kits or to fund prenatal slaughterhouses, but I'm willing to accept it.
 
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Meanwhile, I got my $500 budget surplus refund check from the state of Georgia last week. I know it's heartbreaking to think of the missed opportunity to use my money to buy crack pipe kits or to fund prenatal slaughterhouses, but I'm willing to accept it.
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Nice. Californians got $600 last year ($1,100 if they have children). And more is in the pipeline, though curiously this year it is being tied to vehicle registrations. $400 rebate check per vehicle, capped at 2 vehicles per individual (my ex has four cars so she has been whining about this 2 vehicle cap). Budget is being increased for other things, like bonus payments to retain nurses. Tuition in the Cal university system continues to be kept reasonable through state funding. My older son is grateful for that as he heads off this fall for a masters program in data science. Thanks to low in-state tuition he's not going to have to take out any student loans. More importantly, he didn't try to shake me down for any support (although in this case it would have been for something I regard as a sound investment). The red hot labor market plus demand for people with his skills led his employer to give him the option to work half-time (which gives him continued access to health insurance and all other benefits) while in the masters program. An option he plans to take up. Needless to say he's a lucky kid. Too bad he's stuck in California.

Oh and in the past two years while living in San Francisco he found a dive bar in his neighborhood where he was able to hone his pool game, an important life skill that will surely serve him well as he moves on to bigger and better things.
 
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It's great that he's enjoying his time there, especially as so many others don't and the population plummets. That should lead to more affordable housing for him, and he may not have to step over as many piles of human waste from the homeless population.
 
Jaw said:
It's great that he's enjoying his time there, especially as so many others don't and the population plummets. That should lead to more affordable housing for him, and he may not have to step over as many piles of human waste from the homeless population.
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He did get a sweet deal on his apartment when he moved in two years ago. He said his rent would be going up quite a bit so he's happy to decamp for Southern California in September. Hopefully the culture shock won't be too much for him. He might have to bleach his hair and learn how to surf to fit in.
 
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nsacpi said:
Nice. Californians got $600 last year ($1,100 if they have children). And more is in the pipeline, though curiously this year it is being tied to vehicle registrations. $400 rebate check per vehicle, capped at 2 vehicles per individual (my ex has four cars so she has been whining about this 2 vehicle cap). Budget is being increased for other things, like bonus payments to retain nurses. Tuition in the Cal university system continues to be kept reasonable through state funding. My older son is grateful for that as he heads off this fall for a masters program in data science. Thanks to low in-state tuition he's not going to have to take out any student loans. More importantly, he didn't try to shake me down for any support (although in this case it would have been for something I regard as a sound investment). The red hot labor market plus demand for people with his skills led his employer to give him the option to work half-time (which gives him continued access to health insurance and all other benefits) while in the masters program. An option he plans to take up. Needless to say he's a lucky kid. Too bad he's stuck in California.

Oh and in the past two years while living in San Francisco he found a dive bar in his neighborhood where he was able to hone his pool game, an important life skill that will surely serve him well as he moves on to bigger and better things.
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Funny, I live in California and never got a dime from the state. And before you say I must have made too much, I am teacher (one who worked a full year of in person classes) with a wife on disability due to a surgery and a high school teen. Also the CSU system keeping cost low is a joke. Our family is expected to contribute 15,000 annually for our son's freshman year. This is in addition to financial aide and scholarships. California sucks.
 
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