Legalization thread

Krgrecw said:
I live in a state where it’s as red as you can get, and the cops don’t care about simple possession. It’s only a charge when the person arrested is an asshole. Cops don’t want to do all that driving and paper work for a simple PR offense.
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The problem here is that cops consider not giving up your rights as being an asshole. If its being selectively enforces that's all the more reason to end prohibition.
 
thethe said:
The legalization push is coming from big corporations as they’ve lost out on a bunch of cigarette revenues. Weed should absolutely not be legal.
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Sure, and what do you think the pharmaceutical and alcohol companies that stand to lose hundreds of billions of dollars from legalization are doing?
 
thethe said:
Its still a cash business which makes areas around dispensaries super dangerous.

But ultimately there are more illegal grow operations and all growers are still selling a portion of their grow (marking it down as failed growths) to black markets. There is more weed on the street than ever right now.
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Dispensaries actually make areas safer because it creates a lot of foot traffic in an area and criminals prefer places without lots of witnesses. Of course that doesnt protect from the cops rubbing dispensaries in broad daylight
 
chop2chip said:
Credit to Biden. This has been low hanging fruit for decades.

Biden is to be commended for living up to this campaign promise. Every governor in this country should do the same.
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Dont count the chickens before they hatch. The timing is very suspect to me. There are various routes he could have taken to legalize. They could have passed legislation at any point in the last 2 years doing this. Now on the verge of losing Congress he starts a process. I cant help bit think this process is going to lead to Congress which Republicans will block because "old man bad" and Biden will say he tried but Republicans blocked it. I will be shocked if this doesnt happen.




I would love to hear someone ask Biden why it took 2 years to do t minutes of paperwork and if he has anything to say to the people who have been traumatized in those 2 years from violence by the government because of prohibition.
 
zitothebrave said:
THat's patently false.

Like easy to prove false.

Even going with this prohibition site

https://learnaboutsam.org/the-issues/marijuana-and-whos-in-prison/

0.1% of all prisoners on the state and local level would be .1% of 1600 people.

WHich is not close to the number I"ve seen of course. I just wanted to show you a source you'd consider accurate.
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The link you just gave even said that people in for possession are pled down offenses.

Absolutely nobody is in jail for possession of a recreational amount of weed.
 
thethe said:
The link you just gave even said that people in for possession are pled down offenses.

Absolutely nobody is in jail for possession of a recreational amount of weed.
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Recreational amount. I get a quarter pound every 2 weeks. That wouldnt be considered a recreational amount if I was arrested with it.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Recreational amount. I get a quarter pound every 2 weeks. That wouldnt be considered a recreational amount if I was arrested with it.
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You’re either getting disgusting shwag or you need to check yourself into a rehab facility immediately.
 
thethe said:
The link you just gave even said that people in for possession are pled down offenses.

Absolutely nobody is in jail for possession of a recreational amount of weed.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/14/alabama-veteran-marijuana-prison/

THat's an example of someone who's in jail for simple possession. Sure he wasn't only charged with simple possession. But acting like Cops and Prosecutors won't just throw charges on top of things is stupid.

And an ounce is usually recognized as simple possession but it gets muddier with things like edibles, extracts, etc. and you could be popped with a more serious charge.
 
zitothebrave said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/14/alabama-veteran-marijuana-prison/

THat's an example of someone who's in jail for simple possession. Sure he wasn't only charged with simple possession. But acting like Cops and Prosecutors won't just throw charges on top of things is stupid.

And an ounce is usually recognized as simple possession but it gets muddier with things like edibles, extracts, etc. and you could be popped with a more serious charge.
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Nobody is carrying an ounce for personal use and if you are then you should just make more trips and get smaller amounts.

People carrying weight are doing so with intent to sell.

You aren't getting thrown in jail for having a recreational amount of weed unless there are outside factors like additional charges or being pled down to the possession charge.
 
So are you trying to argue we shouldn't legalize because people aren't being locked up for smoking it? That's about as ass backwards as one can get.
 
cajunrevenge said:
So are you trying to argue we shouldn't legalize because people aren't being locked up for smoking it? That's about as ass backwards as one can get.
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No - The argument for legalization is its harmless and people are being thrown in jail for smoking.

The narrative is just completely false and you know it.
 
thethe said:
No - The argument for legalization is its harmless and people are being thrown in jail for smoking.

The narrative is just completely false and you know it.
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The argument isn’t that weed is harmless, it’s that the costs of prohibition outweigh the benefits by a staggering amount.
 
thethe said:
No - The argument for legalization is its harmless and people are being thrown in jail for smoking.

The narrative is just completely false and you know it.
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Let me give you some statistics then.


There were 8.2 million marijuana arrests between 2001 and 2010. 88% were for simple possession.
500,395 people were arrested for simple possession of marijuana in 2019. I guess police took them to a waterpark instead of jail.

police spend 3.6 billion annually enforcing marijuana laws and arrest more people for cannabis possesion than for all violent crimes combined.

Black people were 3.73 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana. I think this is really why you oppose legalization. Not because you are racist but because black people vote Democrat.


Every independent commission appointed to evaluate the dangers of marijuana have found the governments claims about it to be unsubstantiated. Nixons commission said "there is little proven danger of physical or psychological harm from the experimental or intermittent use of natural preparations of cannabis" and recommended personal use be decriminalized. Thye 1982 National Academy of Sciences Institute for Medicine found every government claim about the dangers of cannabis also to be unsubstantiated.
 
Get me the source of that and I'll show you that you are wrong.

Marijuana arrests is a completely vague and arbitrary classification to bundle up to push a narrative.
 
SO the report from the ACLU does not make a determination of the history of the individual and therefore you have no idea what other crimes the arrested individual committed. Therefore the whole report is meaningless to address the issue that non-criminal users get arrested for simple possession.

It also doesn't go into detail as to the level of possession because when you have 25 grams or more its possession with intent to sell.
 
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