2016 DRAFT Signing Tracker ... FINAL, JULY 15
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bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
you made yours to pretty and eloquent. I just slapped some **** together.. Ha
Technically he does have that "leverage" though. It's conceivable that he could play unaffiliated ball for a year while the Braves hold his rights if he could afford it financially.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
Braves Scouting Director Brian Bridges: "I kind of jumped the gun, and we’ll leave it at that," Braves scouting director Brian Bridges said. "It was wishful thinking on my part, and I tried to make a decision that wasn’t…. It just didn’t work. And he’s a great kid. I wish it would have worked."
As a juco sophomore at Western Oklahoma State, Anthony hit .444 with 25 homers, 84 RBIs and 49 stolen bases in 65 games
Bridges explained that he thought the Braves had more money left under the allotment limit to sign Anthony without triggering the penalties. Telling the player that such a mistake was made is obviously not something a team ever wants to do.
"I thought without calculating that I had more money than I did, bottom line," Bridges said. "It has nothing to do with the kid."
linked from talking chop, don't know the original source
As a juco sophomore at Western Oklahoma State, Anthony hit .444 with 25 homers, 84 RBIs and 49 stolen bases in 65 games
Bridges explained that he thought the Braves had more money left under the allotment limit to sign Anthony without triggering the penalties. Telling the player that such a mistake was made is obviously not something a team ever wants to do.
"I thought without calculating that I had more money than I did, bottom line," Bridges said. "It has nothing to do with the kid."
linked from talking chop, don't know the original source
He has no leverage. Anyone can turn down an offer for any reason, that's not leverage. He has no ability to get the Braves up from the $10,000 figure...and I would assume he and the Braves have already agreed on that figure.
Sure, he can turn down the offer. But why would anyone do that? He's not going to have more leverage next year.
chop2chip
Well-known member
Fair.
If that's truly the case, why hasn't he signed and why doesn't he have 10 grand in the bank. Technically, he does have that leverage - choosing to turn it down spoils the whole class. If the Braves aren't willing to lose it to protect a Top 5 pick next year to get these guys, he can blow it for them.
No one's saying he'd be "smart" to do so, but he does hold those cards.
Absolutely semantics, but they're relevant in this case.
Holy ****, how in the world could he not have known how much money he had available. Just Wow.
Signing for more than $10,000 also spoils the whole class, that's the point. Neslony failing to sign and signing for $20,000+ are the exact same thing from the Braves' standpoint. So again, he does not have leverage. If he's not willing to sign for more than $10,000, then he's not willing to do it. But refusing to sign for it won't get the Braves to increase their offer...therefore, he has no leverage.
If baseball had a hard salary cap and a team only had X amount left, you wouldn't say a FA had leverage to get more than that X amount from the team because he could refuse to sign it. You would just say the player can either take it or sign with a different team. That's the same situation we have here, except there is no other team to sign with.
Maybe he has signed and we just don't know it yet. Maybe he wants to do it in Atlanta and is waiting to travel. Who knows why. Texas Tech lost 4 days ago, the fact that there has been no news story on his signing yet doesn't mean there are negotiations happening. It could be any number of things.
The bottom line is, the Braves have two options if Neslony refuses the 10K - sign him for more or refuse to sign him; for the Braves, those two options are the exact same. Neslony has 2 options as well - sign for the 10 K and start his pro career, or refuse to sign, try to find some random semipro team to play for next year, and enter the draft again with the exact same leverage he had this year and probably with a lesser reputation. The difference between those is night and day. He would have to be an utter moron to turn down any offer at this point - he will sign.
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that not signing would be beyond comprehension, but he still holds those cards. If he chose to play that game, the Braves would have little choice other than to cave if it came right down to it. I just can't see them passing up the haul that this class has been perceived to be to protect the opportunity to land their 1st round pick next June. I'd even go so far as to say it would border on "career suicide". If he were to do something like that, the Braves could simply cave and sign him. They'd then assign him to extended Spring Training for the next six years regardless of how he performed - in essence, ending any shot he'd ever have.
You're still missing the point. Caving and signing him for more is the exact same result as refusing to sign him. Either way we end up over our slot value and lose our 1st round pick. Yes, Neslony can refuse to sign...but doing so won't get us to come up on the offer at all. Because we can't.
If we refuse to sign Neslony, then we either lose other signees or lose our 1st round pick next year. And if we pay Neslony more than $10,000, we either lose other signees or lose our 1st round pick next year. It does not benefit the Braves in any way, shape, or form to 'cave' and pay Neslony more than the amount we have room for.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
I have a feeling he signed. 10k usually don't make headlines.
That is the point - it's not an either/or situation. If he won't take $10,000 (or less), the Braves will be faced with the choice of paying his price to keep the other players drafted this year and losing their 1st round pick next June.
The "benefit" (an awfully loose term in this situation) is that the Braves get to keep all the players drafted and signed in this class. As Matt mentioned (my calculations reflected the same $10K left in our pool), anything over that would automatically force us to surrender next year's 1st rounder. The question would then be - are they willing to let the 30+ players already signed go to protect that pick by choosing NOT to pay Neslony?
Again, I think that would be both beyond stupid in his situation AND likely not the case since we haven't heard anywhere that there are any rumblings of concern. However, given the Anthony situation, I won't feel "good" until he's signed. It's awfully tough (for me, anyway) to feel confident that all this is "locked down" after that bungling.
Really? I guarantee you they have enough to sign Neslony to his pre-agreed amount. People are overreacting to the Josh Anthony issue.
I would be stunned if they didn't have the money needed to sign him. Stunned.
DirkPiggler
Well-known member
Please clarify this for me. Why would the Braves lose 30+ players from this year's draft by Neslony refusing to sign?
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
to say the least. i doubt it was as simple as "i thought i had $5 when i only had $1." was certainly a mistake and shouldn't happen but it could've come from aggressiveness.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to set up a spreadsheet with all our draftees and their signing amounts, with the total at the bottom. A 3rd grader could put it together. Our scouting department screwed something simple like that up, actually called a guy and offered him a contract with money we didn't have, and you say we shouldn't over react?
sturg33
I
Sounds like advanced stats nerdy stuff to me... We should do things based on our gut
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
again: doubtful it was that simple. there are a lot of moving parts and offers being sent out and accepted, money being agreed to and then later on not being agreed to, etc. there's a lot going on. it's closer to bidding on multiple items simultaneously on ebay than it is going to the grocery store with $20 in your pocket.