2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

When Lindsay Graham was in the House, I thought that he may someday grow into a serious presidential candidate, but then something happened. I don't know what.
 
50PoundHead said:
When Lindsay Graham was in the House, I thought that he may someday grow into a serious presidential candidate, but then something happened. I don't know what.
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Wasn't Graham supposed to be part of like the slightly more moderate republican, kind of like Lieberman was.
 
zitothebrave said:
Wasn't Graham supposed to be part of like the slightly more moderate republican, kind of like Lieberman was.
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Only on immigration with his buddy McCain. He's far right to the rest of it. Interesting he's running primarily on foreign policy. I met him a few months ago and was surprised at his sense of humor. Pretty cool guy to talk to. He's always come across on TV as devoid of any personality.
 
can't the republican party just go, hey, we will still give you money and book deals and speaking fees for no reason at all. you don't have announce you are running for president for it though
 
I think the GOP's plan is to host the first few debates with as many on stage as possible (more than 10). They're going to let all 15-20 candidates rip into Obama one by one, which will make it seem like 1) The party is more united and 2) Logic of more candidates from different parts of the country that rip Obama = stands for more people in the country who disapprove of Obama.

It will essentially be a 90 minute PSA of why Obama has destroyed the country the last 8 years and why we can't elect Hillary because she's going to continue or expand his policies. I find it rather interesting they're so afraid of Hillary right now, that they're using every bullet in the rifle to try and bring her and POTUS down.

Santorum, Trump, Graham, Cruz all know they have no shot at the nomination let alone White House. They're all expanding their brand and at the same time uniting their forces to take down Obama and Hillary on the debate stage.

It's actually a rather brilliant strategy by the GOP. Instead of letting the narrative be it's Jeb's nomination to lose, they're letting Jeb be more centralist, bringing in the extremists out to make Jeb look moderate (same as Bernie and O'Malley runnning left of Hillary to make her progressive stances that were unthinkable in 2008 but not so much now, look moderate). Bring in all the of the attack dogs on the debate stage together, and rip into BO and HRC.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Only on immigration with his buddy McCain. He's far right to the rest of it. Interesting he's running primarily on foreign policy. I met him a few months ago and was surprised at his sense of humor. Pretty cool guy to talk to. He's always come across on TV as devoid of any personality.
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I've never met Graham, but early in his career, he seemed to be a "can do" conservative who was pragmatic in his approach. I'm not a falling-off-the-edge lefty and I can appreciate (but not agree with) a number of conservative opinions and policy options, but the first I noticed Graham changing was during the Clinton impeachment proceedings, when he seemed to get preachy (he wasn't alone) and lost any effervescence that he had. That whole episode seemed to bring out the worst in all involved.

I agree with sturg33 that he's become McCain's detached Siamese twin lately.

Heywood, I am still curious about Scott Walker. Being in the political realm, I've donated to both parties over the years so I get fundraising e-mails every day from just about every candidate for everyday. I never un-subscribe, because he e-mails are pretty humorous (especially Ted Cruz'). Walker's e-mails come most often (maybe because I'm in the Upper Midwest) and I see Walker as likely to be in the VP discussion, especially if Bush is on the top of the ticket. Walker is a vapid ventriloquist's dummy with the Koch brothers' hands running his mouth, but he might be a decent attack dog.

I thought this Martin O'Malley quote kind of sums up his strategy: “Recently the CEO of Goldman Sachs let his employees know that he’d be just fine with either Bush or Clinton. I bet he would!” From looking at O'Malley's record over the years, it looks like he sneaked into Bernie Sanders' closet and borrowed one of his shirts and the shirt doesn't fit that well.
 
According to the latest Quinnipiac poll, Paul and Rubio are within 4 points of HRC, while the rest of the likely Rep field is 7-12 points behind.

At what point do I get to lecture to Reps that they better cast aside their principles and vote for Rand because he has the best chance to beat HRC? You know, like they told me in 08 and 12 with McCain and Romney?

I also love how HRC is leading everyone, yet in that same poll, responders answered 53-39 that she is not honest or trustworthy. Some country.
 
acesfull86 said:
According to the latest Quinnipiac poll, Paul and Rubio are within 4 points of HRC, while the rest of the likely Rep field is 7-12 points behind.

At what point do I get to lecture to Reps that they better cast aside their principles and vote for Rand because he has the best chance to beat HRC? You know, like they told me in 08 and 12 with McCain and Romney?

I also love how HRC is leading everyone, yet in that same poll, responders answered 53-39 that she is not honest or trustworthy. Some country.
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I don't know if that's hilarious or sad (or a little of both). I think it shows how far the political/policy process has fallen in the eyes of many.

I said in an earlier post that the Republicans are probably better off nominating a candidate that can at least build off of as opposed to trotting out a middle-aged white guy out of central casting. Unless there's a total collapse on her part, I see Hillary as the next President. If that's the case--and it may not be--the Republicans may be better going young and outside the box and build a coalition based on policies that will appeal to millenials (who are an odd mix when it comes to their philosophy; conservative in some sense, liberal in others, not monolithic). Kind of a Goldwater thing (without the napalm).
 
" ...build a coalition based on policies ..."

But hasn't that been their problem? They have had no policies -- only a "vote for us because we are not them" stance

Actually the last policy proposal they brought forward was Paul Ryan's in what, 2010 ?
Nothing on health care,jobs , immigration, economy,environment or even a viable foreign policy.

Which is where Rand Paul comes in. Agree with him or not he does have ideas. Ideas according to 21st century (R) are only for suckers. Therefore Paul will never see his way out of primary season

I think
 
Rand isn't like his daddy. He will pander a lot more if he thinks he's got a good shot at the nod. A smart Dem like Hillary would turn that around on him in a general election.
 
57Brave said:
" ...build a coalition based on policies ..."

But hasn't that been their problem? They have had no policies -- only a "vote for us because we are not them" stance

Actually the last policy proposal they brought forward was Paul Ryan's in what, 2010 ?
Nothing on health care,jobs , immigration, economy,environment or even a viable foreign policy.

Which is where Rand Paul comes in. Agree with him or not he does have ideas. Ideas according to 21st century (R) are only for suckers. Therefore Paul will never see his way out of primary season

I think
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I think you're right to say "ideas" instead of "policy." I think Rand Paul does have a vision of limited government and it is a positive view in the sense that it's not about gumming up the works which has been the Republican strategy since the second Clinton term, but instead making the machine smaller with a smaller scope (but still working). I don't agree with a lot of what Rand believes, but I think it's at least an honest approach to what he feels are the major challenges facing the country. I think the rest of the field (Democrats included) simply think that not facing up to fiscal challenges is the way to go. The rest of the field seems to want to convince the vast middle class you can keep getting everything but not paying for it.
 
50PoundHead said:
I think the rest of the field (Democrats included) simply think that not facing up to fiscal challenges is the way to go. The rest of the field seems to want to convince the vast middle class you can keep getting everything but not paying for it.
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Would you include Bernie Sanders ?
 
Trump is my leading candidate right now. I think he's going to be the guy. screw it... yeah I'm going to do it. Trump will be your next president. Make sure your birth certificates are on your person.

Trump/Paul. Wow wow wow. What a ticket.
 
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