2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

I think it's time for republicans to get behind Trump. I get that his weaknesses are embarrassing, but at the same time his strengths as a candidate are elite. His performance at his press conference on super Tuesday was nearly perfect. I think the only hope the establishment has now is to either get behind Cruz, which they don't want to, or try and work with Trump and train him to be a better candidate. It's obviously a huge risk, but right now I don't see another way. Either you get behind Trump and try to make him more classy and get on his good side or Hillary is the next President.
 
weso1 said:
I think it's time for republicans to get behind Trump. I get that his weaknesses are embarrassing, but at the same time his strengths as a candidate are elite. His performance at his press conference on super Tuesday was nearly perfect. I think the only hope the establishment has now is to either get behind Cruz, which they don't want to, or try and work with Trump and train him to be a better candidate. It's obviously a huge risk, but right now I don't see another way. Either you get behind Trump and try to make him more classy and get on his good side or Hillary is the next President.
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Yeah, I think this pretty much sums it up.
 
weso1 said:
I think it's time for republicans to get behind Trump. I get that his weaknesses are embarrassing, but at the same time his strengths as a candidate are elite. His performance at his press conference on super Tuesday was nearly perfect. I think the only hope the establishment has now is to either get behind Cruz, which they don't want to, or try and work with Trump and train him to be a better candidate. It's obviously a huge risk, but right now I don't see another way. Either you get behind Trump and try to make him more classy and get on his good side or Hillary is the next President.
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What you outline is just about the only choice the Republicans have. The more the establishment gripes, the more they cripple not only Trump's chances, but their party's chances. I don't think anyone comes out of a frontal attack on Trump without a ton of blood on them and the more fighting, the more unrest going into the campaign in earnest. Trump has captured a sense of something that neither party has latched on to and it's working. Whether that will hold up in a general is anyone's guess, but Rubio's antics in the past couple of weeks kind of prove he's not ready for prime time and I think to know Ted Cruz is to not like him. Cruz vs. Hillary would probably suppress the vote more than an earthquake in every time zone on election day. The only thing that would keep voter turnout up if that is the match-up is the Supreme Court vacancy.

I've been reading Arthur Schlesinger, Jr's The Cycles of American History and throughout our history, various voting blocs have moved between parties and have re-aligned the nature of the parties. That's going on right now. Probably a lot of reasons for it, principally I think that the "frustrated" class has moved upwards from blue collar workers to include disaffected white collar managers who voted for W. but then had everything swept away during the housing crisis. These guys don't give two hoots about social policy, but they see economic self-determination slipping from their fingers and they are very angry about that. There's a racial/immigration angle to Trump's popularity, but I think it is a lot more than that. Trump is bringing new people into the system and that is upsetting to the social issue-centrics that have been running the Republican party along with the economic royalists for the past 20 years. Just my take.
 
50PoundHead said:
What you outline is just about the only choice the Republicans have. The more the establishment gripes, the more they cripple not only Trump's chances, but their party's chances. I don't think anyone comes out of a frontal attack on Trump without a ton of blood on them and the more fighting, the more unrest going into the campaign in earnest. Trump has captured a sense of something that neither party has latched on to and it's working. Whether that will hold up in a general is anyone's guess, but Rubio's antics in the past couple of weeks kind of prove he's not ready for prime time and I think to know Ted Cruz is to not like him. Cruz vs. Hillary would probably suppress the vote more than an earthquake in every time zone on election day. The only thing that would keep voter turnout up if that is the match-up is the Supreme Court vacancy.

I've been reading Arthur Schlesinger, Jr's The Cycles of American History and throughout our history, various voting blocs have moved between parties and have re-aligned the nature of the parties. That's going on right now. Probably a lot of reasons for it, principally I think that the "frustrated" class has moved upwards from blue collar workers to include disaffected white collar managers who voted for W. but then had everything swept away during the housing crisis. These guys don't give two hoots about social policy, but they see economic self-determination slipping from their fingers and they are very angry about that. There's a racial/immigration angle to Trump's popularity, but I think it is a lot more than that. Trump is bringing new people into the system and that is upsetting to the social issue-centrics that have been running the Republican party along with the economic royalists for the past 20 years. Just my take.
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That's a good analysis. And I personally believe the Pubs are looking a gift horse in the mouth here. They've been given a candidate that has incredible raw talent. And they're trying to dump him. I think it's a big mistake. They instead should try and work with him and get him to consistently be the guy he was on Super Tuesday.
 
weso1 said:
That's a good analysis. And I personally believe the Pubs are looking a gift horse in the mouth here. They've been given a candidate that has incredible raw talent. And they're trying to dump him. I think it's a big mistake. They instead should try and work with him and get him to consistently be the guy he was on Super Tuesday.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "incredible raw talent", but he is a highly motivated guy who knows how to manipulate the media and the public. Whether his skills can also be successful as the head of a political party or a government is highly doubtful.

The GOP is in a horrible place right now. How can they fall in behind Trump after the way he's been whipping them in the press for months? Politicians do NOT forget that quickly. And even if some do pretend to support him because it's the only option they have, they'll be plotting from Day One to get rid of him and restore order.

Perhaps the Repubs best move at this point is to publicly support Trump while secretly plotting his humiliating defeat in November.
 
weso1 said:
I think it's time for republicans to get behind Trump. I get that his weaknesses are embarrassing, but at the same time his strengths as a candidate are elite. His performance at his press conference on super Tuesday was nearly perfect. I think the only hope the establishment has now is to either get behind Cruz, which they don't want to, or try and work with Trump and train him to be a better candidate. It's obviously a huge risk, but right now I don't see another way. Either you get behind Trump and try to make him more classy and get on his good side or Hillary is the next President.
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I'm the classiest, most luxurious candidate ever. You're a loser weso.
 
Jamil Smith ‏@JamilSmith 24m24 minutes ago Brooklyn, NY

The GOP establishment's greatest trick? Getting away with telling America that they are more righteous than this monster they've created.

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Just like no one watches Fox or listens to Rush -- no one is responsible for the Trump nomination.
"Who me !! I am a Libertarian"

yeah, that's the ticket
 
57Brave said:
Jamil Smith ‏@JamilSmith 24m24 minutes ago Brooklyn, NY

The GOP establishment's greatest trick? Getting away with telling America that they are more righteous than this monster they've created.

....

Just like no one watches Fox or listens to Rush -- no one is responsible for the Trump nomination.

"Who me !! I am a Libertarian"

yeah, that's the ticket
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Hold up there, buddy. We aren't saying no one is responsible. We're saying Obama is responsible. Get your facts straight.

/Republicans
 
MrShwag said:
Mitt Romney? Really? That's the best they could come up with?
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I don't know what Romney is going to reveal in his speech today, but if he doesn't deliver a knock-out punch to the Donald he better be wearing his magic underwear because he is going to get eviscerated.
 
MrShwag said:
Mitt Romney? Really? That's the best they could come up with?
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Mitt Romney, who looked like a tiny piece of his soul was palpably leaving his body every time he had to pretend to be a gun totin' conservative good ol' boy, and who pretzeled himself to escape his former positions on healthcare and abortion, is going to tell us that Donald Trump is a phony.
 
I think 57 has lost his mind.

But it's ironic that he will be voting for a war mongering, walmart board serving, anti-gay marriage, wall street financed candidate come November
 
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