2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

Sanders never really got to face any scrutiny for his insanity... kind of a bummer he didn't get the nomination bc he would have been humiliated trying to explain his ideas
 
a) he understood perfectly well why property was traditionaly assigned a lower interest rate than education. I think he was questioning the wisdom of making ownership more accessible than post high scoop education that in turn is investing in our society's future.

Agree or disagree with his notion but it hardly makes him unintellegent.

b) Sanders has been a national figure for 15 years, on the national campaign trail for one year and stood in 7 contested debates. Through this he has yet to be humiliated explaining his ideas. There is not only his debate/campaign opponent but a gaggle of reporters doing their best to get that gotcha momment. Because in every one of their minds they see a Pulitzer or a spot on Fox News
 
If you go back through the thread... you'll see that at one time, I respected Sanders...

But then I saw how dumb he was and realized how terrible of a candidate he is.

Like I said, he's either dumb, or a liar. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt
 
Also, I'll challenge that he knows the difference...

October 15th tweet

“It makes no sense that students and their parents pay higher interest rates for college than they pay for car loans or housing mortgages.”

December 26th tweet

“You have families out there paying 6, 8, 10 percent on student debt but you can refinance your homes at 3 percent. What sense is that?”

December 28th rally

“You have families out there paying 6, 8, 10 percent on student debt but you can refinance your homes at 3 percent. What sense is that?”
 
seems you and he have a philosophical difference on investment. Short term vs long game

Seems also you have a political difference where you favor the invester over the invested.

I agree with Sen Sanders . Yet that, in my view, doesn't make you dumb
 
57Brave said:
seems you and he have a philosophical difference on investment. Short term vs long game
Seems also you have a political difference where you favor the invester over the invested.

I agree with Sen Sanders . Yet that, in my view, doesn't make you dumb
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It's not a philosophical questions. It's a basic economic understanding that neither you nor Sanders can grasp

I also enjoyed it when he promised to expand social security, medicare, provide free college education for all, provide free healthcare for all, and raise the minimum wage while paying for it by taxing the 1%.

Like I said, either a liar or the dumbest candidate in US history
 
I do agree with Sander on the school loan issue. I borrowed from the old National Student Defense Loan program that was established in the late-1950s at 3%. I can't remember when the loan program was handed over to the private sector, but there's no question rates went up considerably after that happened. I get supply-and-demand and letting interest rates find their own level, but there is a pubic purpose involved here. You just couldn't go to the bank and ask for a National Student Defense loan. The allowance was calculated by the college or university and was part of a student aid package. Seemed to make sense.
 
You are arguing against mainstream Progressive platforms and have to ask who Sen Warren is.

I think we are finished here
 
Reading about Christie and Rubio made me think of the Kamikaze nature of this years (R) primaries and the number of political careers we have watched go up in smoke.

In It To Win It:
Trump
Cruz
Kasich

Up In Smoke:
Bush
Jindel
Rubio
Christie
Santorum
Fiorona
Perry
Walker

Still Breathing:
Huckabee
Paul
Carson
Graham

...................

Going to give give Rand Paul credit. I've never been much of a fan but have to say he was at times the grown up in the room.
Huckabee and Carson will be selling books until ...
The up in smokers pretty much killed their political careers with this run. One could argue Rubio but he so badly miscalculated his standing he gave up his Senate seat. Rumor has been he'd run for Governor but the numbers aren't bearing that out. He ahas pretty much screwed the pooch.
And Christie - well, he will be fetching Donalds slippers and picking up his chicken bones the reest of his life.
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy
 
Runnin said:
Can you explain what you mean by whack job?

He's not overly religious or libertarian, so he's not that kind of 'whack job'. But he is passionate.

Do you think he's crazy for believing there's a snowball's chance in hell to wrest control of the money flow out of the corporate world's giant claws? If that's that kind of whack job you're talking about, I agree with you.

But God bless him for trying.
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;-)
 
sturg33 said:
It's not a philosophical questions. It's a basic economic understanding that neither you nor Sanders can grasp

I also enjoyed it when he promised to expand social security, medicare, provide free college education for all, provide free healthcare for all, and raise the minimum wage while paying for it by taxing the 1%.

Like I said, either a liar or the dumbest candidate in US history
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With no cost controls planned... Oi vey!
 
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You know, I agree with Bedell's critique of the higher education system, but I'm not sure what libertarians or free marketeers have to offer on this issue.
 
Julio3000 said:
You know, I agree with Bedell's critique of the higher education system, but I'm not sure what libertarians or free marketeers have to offer on this issue.
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Why do you need an offering?

Let's kill the department of education and and kill federally subsidized loans.
 
Julio3000 said:
So how does that help?
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Well, I find the irony in people complaining about our education getting worse and worse while our education budget gets bigger and bigger. Perhaps we shouldn't have centralized education.

With regards to the loans... when the government essentially guarantees access to money to anybody who wants it, colleges will do what makes sense - they will raise prices.

If everybody had to get a loan from a private bank at a normal interest rate, some people wouldn't be able to afford them. Over time, this would cause colleges to lower their tuition costs as demand goes down.

I'm sure you will laugh that free market principle away... and that's OK... but why else do we think tuition continues to go up?
 
sturg33 said:
Why do you need an offering?

Let's kill the department of education and and kill federally subsidized loans.
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We should probably kill the EPA while we're at it. It's not like anyone listens to them anymore anyway, given the nada level of authority they have any more.
 
sturg33 said:
Well, I find the irony in people complaining about our education getting worse and worse while our education budget gets bigger and bigger. Perhaps we shouldn't have centralized education.
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Our whole education system needs to be reformed, but not by money people, not by union people, and sure as hell not by talk radio/Faux commentator people. You need someone who's been there, has experience, knows what the hell's going on, and who will keep what needs to be kept, increase what needs to be increased, cut what needs to be cut, and puts some real rules and controls in for the things and people who are really the problem with education, at the K-12 level AND the higher ed level.

What are the chances that'll EVER happen?
 
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