2018 Offseason And Targets

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Pollock's wRC the past five years

2014 134
2015 131
2016 89
2017 103
2018 110

Markakis
2014 106
2015 106
2016 98
2017 93
2018 114

Not much different the past three years. Is it worth shelling out a 4-5 contract to Pollock? I think its not worth the risk. You need more upside from a player in his 30s and his injury history to justify taking that kind of risk.
 
nsacpi said:
Pollock's wRC the past five years

2014 134
2015 131
2016 89
2017 103
2018 110

Markakis
2014 106
2015 106
2016 98
2017 93
2018 114

Not much different the past three years. Is it worth shelling out a 4-5 contract to Pollock? I think its not worth the risk. You need more upside from a player in his 30s and his injury history to justify taking that kind of risk.
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There's not many FA options for outfielders if you think we arent going for Harper. There's Pollock, Marwin Gonzalez?, Brantley, Adam Jones, Cutch. Not that enticing, not sure whats out there for trades either. I wouldnt bring back Nick, he was so bad in the 2nd half, and we need to get younger.

Brantley is a guy i'd target but i wonder what is his market and his defense is kinda meh supposedly and you know AA likes having good defenders out there. But he probably wouldnt cost as much as a Pollock would though theoratically.
 
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Heyward said:
Seager is a natural SS/3B, hes not moving to second.
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Manny is playing short stop. I think it is stupid but manny is about manny and he wants to only play short. So either seager or Turner moves to second. With seager coming off TJ, then I think he moves in 2019. Either that or the dodgers don’t go after Manny.
 
Bowman article with quotes from Snitker. On what was learned from competing against the Dodgers in the NLDS:

I'm looking over [at the Dodgers], and I'm thinking, 'That's what it looks like,'" Snitker said. "They're four wins away from going to the World Series again. Over the course of this season, I kept wondering if we were strong enough to pull this off.

"We've got to get stronger as a team to compete in that situation, because [the Dodgers] are really deep. They're strong. We're not there yet. We'll get there. We've just got to continue to work to get stronger with the bullpen depth, the bench and things like that. We're not a finished product by any means. There's a lot of young players on our team -- position players and pitchers -- that will take steps to get there."

Good, common sense observations from Snit. Along the same lines of what many of us have been talking about.

https://www.mlb.com/braves/news/brian-snitker-meets-with-alex-anthopoulos/c-297507816
 
nsacpi said:
Pollock's wRC the past five years

2014 134
2015 131
2016 89
2017 103
2018 110

Markakis
2014 106
2015 106
2016 98
2017 93
2018 114

Not much different the past three years. Is it worth shelling out a 4-5 contract to Pollock? I think its not worth the risk. You need more upside from a player in his 30s and his injury history to justify taking that kind of risk.
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So you’re telling me the real answer is re-sign Muk.
 
Ronald Rump said:
So you’re telling me the real answer is re-sign Muk.
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I am saying in evaluating any alternative (including cost of acquisition) we should compare it to re-upping Muk for about $12M on a one-year deal (assuming these terms are acceptable to him). Pollock on a 15-18M/year deal for 4-5 years is a pass for me in that context.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Manny is playing short stop. I think it is stupid but manny is about manny and he wants to only play short. So either seager or Turner moves to second. With seager coming off TJ, then I think he moves in 2019. Either that or the dodgers don’t go after Manny.
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Dodgers probably arent gonna pay Manny so your point is irrelevant. I see Dodgers targeting Arenado the following winter, then moving Turner to 2B.
 
If DBacks decide to rebuild, David Peralta would be a good target. Only 2 years of control, the cost shouldnt be absurd.
 
Markakis wasn’t very good the 2nd half and was terrible in the playoffs. He’s also coming off a career year and is gonna be a year older so pass for me. Greinke and Peralta wouldn’t cost a ton if we were taking more of Greinkes money.
 
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Markakis wasn’t very good the 2nd half and was terrible in the playoffs. He’s also coming off a career year and is gonna be a year older so pass for me. Greinke and Peralta wouldn’t cost a ton if we were taking more of Greinkes money.
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Hard pass on Greinke, given his contract. Yes to Peralta.
 
nsacpi said:
I am saying in evaluating any alternative (including cost of acquisition) we should compare it to re-upping Muk for about $12M on a one-year deal (assuming these terms are acceptable to him). Pollock on a 15-18M/year deal for 4-5 years is a pass for me in that context.
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I'm one of the few that's OK with bringing Nick back on an inexpensive one-year deal IF a better answer can't be brought in without it being a high $$$ long-term commitment.

That said, I think moving Camargo to the OF and handing 3B over to Riley would be an upgrade involving less money than any other option - and I'd be fine with that as well.

As others have mentioned, I'd imagine AA has to at least find out what the return would need to be to land Peralta, either of the Pirates' guys, or Ozuna before making any decision. If it can be done with some of our "excess arms", you'd have to consider it.
 
clvclv said:
I'm one of the few that's OK with bringing Nick back on an inexpensive one-year deal IF a better answer can't be brought in without it being a high $$$ long-term commitment.

That said, I think moving Camargo to the OF and handing 3B over to Riley would be an upgrade involving less money than any other option - and I'd be fine with that as well.

As others have mentioned, I'd imagine AA has to at least find out what the return would need to be to land Peralta, either of the Pirates' guys, or Ozuna before making any decision. If it can be done with some of our "excess arms", you'd have to consider it.
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What type of arm are you thinking. I still think catcher needs to be upgraded, Flowers is fine for a backup, but we need a legit starting C.

Like an Allard, Gohara, Wentz, Muller type or higher/lesser than that.
 
Enscheff said:
Nobody is taking all of Teheran’s contract. He has less than 0 trade value. The Braves will be paying Sanchez plus some of Teheran’s contract.

Just let Teheran fill out the back of the rotation.
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Yeah, I don't think there's any way you can justify paying money for both (assuming you have to kick something in to move Julio).

If someone would take him (and all the money) for a couple "suspects" one of our scouts likes, you bring Anibal back - otherwise you're probably going to be just as well off keeping Julio for the back-end and banking on a healthy year from Soroka and Touki and/or Wright/Gohara/Wilson taking steps forward.
 
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So who is an excess arm and who isn't.
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I'm sure they're different for everybody. I've said several times my "off-limits" guys would probably be...

Acuna
Albies
Folty
Gausman
Touki
Soroka
Wright
Anderson
Riley
Pache
Contreras

and maybe Waters

if I were in AA's shoes and could get one of the Pirates' guys with 3-5 years of control left, I'd be willing to talk about Pache and keep Waters (or vice-versa, depending on what else they wanted). Otherwise, just go get a stopgap for 2019 and see how Pache advances next year.

I think someone mentioned Newk in a deal for Peralta, I'd probably do that and bring back Anibal if they'd take it - would leave you with Folty, Gausman, Anibal, Julio, and Touki/Soroka/Wright/Gohara/Wilson, with the other four marinating in Gwinnett and Fried in the pen who could make a spot start in an emergency.
 
clvclv said:
Yeah, I don't think there's any way you can justify paying money for both (assuming you have to kick something in to move Julio).

If someone would take him (and all the money) for a couple "suspects" one of our scouts likes, you bring Anibal back - otherwise you're probably going to be just as well off keeping Julio for the back-end and banking on a healthy year from Soroka and Touki and/or Wright/Gohara/Wilson taking steps forward.
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The Braves are a playoff contender. You would justify it by calculating that the alternatives to keeping Teheran give you a better chance to win.
 
clvclv said:
I'm one of the few that's OK with bringing Nick back on an inexpensive one-year deal IF a better answer can't be brought in without it being a high $$$ long-term commitment.

That said, I think moving Camargo to the OF and handing 3B over to Riley would be an upgrade involving less money than any other option - and I'd be fine with that as well.

As others have mentioned, I'd imagine AA has to at least find out what the return would need to be to land Peralta, either of the Pirates' guys, or Ozuna before making any decision. If it can be done with some of our "excess arms", you'd have to consider it.
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I'd prefer to look at other options first but I would rather try your suggestion of moving Camargo to the outfield over resigning Markakis. Nick was terrible the last couple months and the postseason. His age also scares me.
 
nsacpi said:
Pollock's wRC the past five years

2014 134
2015 131
2016 89
2017 103
2018 110

Markakis
2014 106
2015 106
2016 98
2017 93
2018 114

Not much different the past three years. Is it worth shelling out a 4-5 contract to Pollock? I think its not worth the risk. You need more upside from a player in his 30s and his injury history to justify taking that kind of risk.
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Is there more to a player's value than wRC? Did you really list Pollock's 12 game 2016 wRC when he missed the year due to a freak elbow dislocation?

Perhaps age, base running and defensive contributions are taken into account when doling out FA contracts?
 
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