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Rainey went to the Nationals in the Roark deal, but I catch your drift.
2018 Offseason And Targets
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Rainey went to the Nationals in the Roark deal, but I catch your drift.
zbhargrove
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Interesting take from Kiley and his chat back on 12/19:
Just A Dude: Jeff Francouer said the Braves are definitely in on Harper because he loves Atlanta. Is Frenchy a secret insider or has he smoked too many candy canes?
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Kiley McDaniel: I don’t think they’re out on anyone, just being cautious to not overpay. If Harper never gets a 10+ year, 330M+ deal, I dont think anyone knows what he’s looking for. Could be 1-year deal with no QO for a contender or 4-5 year deal with a 1-year opt out, back to WSH for whatever they have left, etc. so you don’t know that ATL isn’t the preferred destination if the retail offer isn’t there.
If he can't get his target deal, I suppose its not crazy to think of a one year "prove you're the 10-year once in a lifetime type of FA"
Edit: He'd likely command $40 million or greater for a one year deal, so I'm not saying there's a Braves chance there really but could potentially setup to sign him next year if it looks like a fit
Just A Dude: Jeff Francouer said the Braves are definitely in on Harper because he loves Atlanta. Is Frenchy a secret insider or has he smoked too many candy canes?
12:58
Kiley McDaniel: I don’t think they’re out on anyone, just being cautious to not overpay. If Harper never gets a 10+ year, 330M+ deal, I dont think anyone knows what he’s looking for. Could be 1-year deal with no QO for a contender or 4-5 year deal with a 1-year opt out, back to WSH for whatever they have left, etc. so you don’t know that ATL isn’t the preferred destination if the retail offer isn’t there.
If he can't get his target deal, I suppose its not crazy to think of a one year "prove you're the 10-year once in a lifetime type of FA"
Edit: He'd likely command $40 million or greater for a one year deal, so I'm not saying there's a Braves chance there really but could potentially setup to sign him next year if it looks like a fit
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zbhargrove
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I'd offer Wentz
From Sullivan's article on the Reds/Dodgers trade:
"The Dodgers remove $6.8 million in salary, but $15.8 in taxable salary. Their current taxable payroll projects to around $180 million. They can’t add Bryce Harper and stay under the $206 million tax amount, but they can comfortably add Harper and keep their tax bill to around $2 million. Or they could add Harper and say, Corey Kluber, and pay under $10 million in competitive balance taxes."
They bent over backwards to get under the threshold last year, and they have just made a huge trade to clear room in the OF.
I'd bet money the Dodgers are going to sign Harper.
"The Dodgers remove $6.8 million in salary, but $15.8 in taxable salary. Their current taxable payroll projects to around $180 million. They can’t add Bryce Harper and stay under the $206 million tax amount, but they can comfortably add Harper and keep their tax bill to around $2 million. Or they could add Harper and say, Corey Kluber, and pay under $10 million in competitive balance taxes."
They bent over backwards to get under the threshold last year, and they have just made a huge trade to clear room in the OF.
I'd bet money the Dodgers are going to sign Harper.
I don’t think it was the case that they couldn’t afford Brantley.
I think the issue was they couldn’t afford Brantley in addition to the SP they want to add.
This crusade to add another 2-3 win SP coupled with the push to get Donaldson is really hampering their ability to address LF. At this point we can only hope AA has a series of trades lined up that fixes LF and adds a SP while adding less than $20M to the payroll. Those options are certainly out there.
At this point, I think it’s either a package of Newk/Riley for JTR or Haniger, then the Braves get Gray to replace Newk in the rotation. If they get Haniger they are pretty much done. If they get JTR they will pivot to CarGo or Markakis on a 1 year deal. If this is the overall plan, the most they could have offered Brantley was something less than $15M in 2019, which is why he isn’t a Brave. I’m betting the linchpin to the rest of the Braves off season lies with Grandals signing making the Marlins finally pull the trigger on JTR, which will make the Braves pull the trigger on either JTR or Haniger.
I see no other scenario that doesn’t end up being a pretty disappointing offseason.
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zbhargrove
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Seems pretty reasonable. Do you think we have the prospects to smartly get both Haniger and JT without just trashing our system? Or is that just an all out pipe dream?
I don't think there's anyway we do Haniger and JTR. We obviously have the prospects, but our system would take a huge hit, especially at the top. With how we like to rotate pitchers now, I can't see AA thinning our depth like that.
In all likelihood, I think AA has a few balls in the air. I think he wants a TOR starter like Kluber/Bauer, but will likely have to settle for Gray or a similar pitcher. We're also in on Realmuto. Possibly still in on Peralta and other LF options. We likely only have the financial means for 2 of those trades.
Just spit balling, but I wonder if we could be trying to orchestrate a trade with Miami where JTR is flipped to Cleveland for Kluber? No secret that Cleveland is looking for a ML offensive piece in a Kluber deal, though they've mostly been rumored to be seeking OF help.
In all likelihood, I think AA has a few balls in the air. I think he wants a TOR starter like Kluber/Bauer, but will likely have to settle for Gray or a similar pitcher. We're also in on Realmuto. Possibly still in on Peralta and other LF options. We likely only have the financial means for 2 of those trades.
Just spit balling, but I wonder if we could be trying to orchestrate a trade with Miami where JTR is flipped to Cleveland for Kluber? No secret that Cleveland is looking for a ML offensive piece in a Kluber deal, though they've mostly been rumored to be seeking OF help.
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Russ2dollas
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I’m still predicting Jesse winkler from the reds. Said it before and say it now with the reds getting puig.
Reds still need pitching. Winkler looks like a 2 war cheap of.
Fits the AA mold of out of nowhere .
Reds still need pitching. Winkler looks like a 2 war cheap of.
Fits the AA mold of out of nowhere .
Russ2dollas
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Plus winkler has some issues vs lh and health so he fits comargo or Duvall as a platoon guy. Play him 115 starts or so.
Russ2dollas
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I think what is holding up hangier and jtr is they can’t trade Riley twice.
They have to decide where to spend that chip.
Corner of and catcher does have a musical chairs aspect. Free agents cof are in real danger of running out of spots so you can get them cheap. Marlins are in real danger of nobody needing jtr.
Most ppl have said and hoped we’d overpay for a 4 war of instead of getting an amazing deal on a two war of.
Aa still seems most focused on roi vs total return
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It's December and alot of GM's kinda shut it down before Christmas, calm down. AA will make a couple more moves.
Russ2dollas
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Reds might be interested in ender now.
Winkler and hangier with acuna would be a nasty high upside of cor cheap.
Winkler and hangier with acuna would be a nasty high upside of cor cheap.
Hudson2
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Like Encheff, I think AA has a few lines in the water like Haniger and JTR and he has maybe a few of the same prospects in each offer so he’s having to wait and see who bites first so he knows which direction to go next. I still think we end up with a stud COF that we are all pleased with.
I think I’d hang on to Ender. He’s solid and affordable. Plus we can develop Pache.
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nsacpi
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Right now it looks like the Reds are the most logical landing place for Pollock. We need to be patient. If Harper goes to the Dodgers and Pollock to the Reds we could be bargaining from a position of strength as far as corner outfield goes. Plus there is Muk as a fallback option.
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Reds already have Winker, Puig, Kemp and Schebler, as well as Senzel at some point. I think the Reds go for a SP if anything.
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the need a center fielder...they need to execute a two-step...sign Pollock and trade a corner outfielder for pitching...the also have Senzel coming up...so the could also trade Gennett for pitching
I like the fallback option more and more as each day passes.
The Braves can afford it easily in terms of payroll, and who knows which prospects the Marlins or Mariners overvalue. It could happen, and would be awesome, but I have a feeling it would deplete the system too much as you suggest.
Newk plus Riley for JTR, Pache plus 55 pitcher for Haniger, pitcher for Gray to replace Newk. Something like that is feasible, but we know the Braves are hesitant to trade their few position prospects.
I think it’s either one of JTR or Haniger, and then the plan branches from there.
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